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To: Non-Sequitur

“That clause also lacks another thing - a definition of the difference between natural born and citizen at birth. As Justice Gray wrote, “The fourteenth amendment of the constitution...contemplates two sources of citizenship, and two only-birth and naturalization. Citizenship by naturalization can only be acquired by naturalization under the authority and in the forms of law. But citizenship by birth is established by the mere fact of birth under the circumstances defined in the constitution. Every person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States, and needs no naturalization.” That’s two forms of citizenship, not three. Two. Citizen at birth and natural born citizen are one and the same, and if Obama and McCain meet the legal definition of citizen at birth - which they do - then they are eligible to be president. “

This justice though was in no way making a ruling on the Constitutional eligibility fo the office of President.

You are mistaking apples for oranges.


67 posted on 12/11/2008 5:57:11 PM PST by TheBigIf
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To: TheBigIf
This justice though was in no way making a ruling on the Constitutional eligibility fo the office of President.

Yes he was. The whole gist of the case was summed up by Justice Gray when he wrote, "The foregoing considerations and authorities irresistibly lead us to these conclusions: The fourteenth amendment affirms the ancient and fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the territory, in the allegiance and under the protection of the country, including all children here born of resident aliens, with the exceptions or qualifications (as old as the rule itself) of children of foreign sovereigns or their ministers, or born on foreign public ships, or of enemies within and during a hostile occupation of part of our territory, and with the single additional exception of children of members of the Indian tribes owing direct allegiance to their several tribes. The amendment, in clear words and in manifest intent, includes the children born within the territory of the United States of all other persons, of whatever race or color, domiciled within the United States. Every citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States." The Court confirmed the concept of two classes of citizen - citizen at birth and naturalized. The court confirmed that any person born in the U.S., regardless of the nationality of their parents, is a citizen at birth. Therefore it confirmed that any citizen at birth can be president.

74 posted on 12/11/2008 6:05:34 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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