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Pantry Raid (SWAT raid over Farm License confusion)
Reason Blog ^ | 12/09/08 | Katherine Mangu-Ward

Posted on 12/10/2008 6:33:57 AM PST by Dutchgirl

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Plenty of links at the source. An 8 hour standoff with women and children over licensing??
1 posted on 12/10/2008 6:33:58 AM PST by Dutchgirl
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To: Dutchgirl

Someone obviously had a “beef” with them.


2 posted on 12/10/2008 6:37:57 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Dutchgirl

Can’t say I have any argument with “Peace Chicken’s” list of legitimate uses for SWAT teams. Assuming the police need them at ALL... which IS arguable.


3 posted on 12/10/2008 6:39:57 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Dutchgirl

Just think how it would have turned out if there had been any “identity confusion”, and the residents were inclined to exercise their RKBA in defense of their property and family.


4 posted on 12/10/2008 6:42:06 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Dutchgirl

There is a lot of bogus material in this supposed “true” story, the swat team held guns to the childrens head for 9 hours? ya, right, BS


5 posted on 12/10/2008 6:42:30 AM PST by Scythian
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To: Dutchgirl

Too bad the Illinois Governor wasn’t involved with the farm. If he had, they would have received a call at home and would have been allowed to come on over and get it all fixed up.


6 posted on 12/10/2008 6:43:24 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: Dutchgirl

The fact that asome judge somewhere signed a warrant justified by “beef” recalls the old line:

Q: What do you call an attorney who graduated in the bottom 5% of his class?

A: “Your Honor”


7 posted on 12/10/2008 6:43:27 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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“A crack SWAT team of sherrif’s deputies, health inspectors, and Ohio Department of Agriculture officials busted into the Manna Storehouse food co-op in LaGrange, Ohio, in a raid last week.”

Last I checked, SWAT teams aren’t made up of health inspectors either.

I agree, exaggerated B.S.


8 posted on 12/10/2008 6:58:03 AM PST by tearlenb
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To: Dutchgirl

Just as I suspected. Anyone else who believes this exaggerated hokum story should do a Google search and read something other than the hysterical web “reporting”, which in this case is far, far worse than anything cooked-up by the MSM.

For example, the following from http://www.cleveland.com/lorain/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/lorain/1228901590175700.xml&coll=2 :

The Plain Dealer

‘Raid’ at Manna Storehouse organic food co-op disputed by Lorain County Sheriff’s Office

Wednesday, December 10, 2008

Patrick O’Donnell

Plain Dealer Reporter

[snip]

Openly proclaiming it is not licensed and does not plan to obtain a license, Manna has members affirm that they “take full responsibility for their own health, health choices, food choices and food quality.”

County officials say the business cannot operate that way.

Assistant County Prosecutor Scott Serazin said any business that sells perishable foods must be licensed and follow regulations covering those who store and supply food. There is no exception in the law for a co-op, Serazin said, and Manna cannot ask customers to waive safety regulations

The Lorain County Health Department tried to inspect the Storehouse in November 2007 but the family told inspectors to leave the property. Jacqueline Stowers wrote the department the next month that Manna does not need a license and that the inspection was an attempt to “cunningly coerce unlawful entry into our house and private property.”

In September, the county asked the Ohio Department of Agriculture for assistance, and an agent purchased eggs at the store. When agents learned of a possible delivery of meat, they obtained a warrant to search for evidence of the business’s activities.


9 posted on 12/10/2008 7:07:08 AM PST by angkor (Conservatism is not a religious movement.)
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To: tearlenb; Scythian
There are other threads about this. Apparently a health inspector had been trying to "infiltrate" the co-op and was rebuffed as "odd". Why didn't they just come in as an official? Btw, in the other reports it said the "health inspector" was present for the raid. It also gave his name. These people are accused of selling beef without a license. I'll be interested in hearing the rest of the story.

Local food cooperative searched by state

10 posted on 12/10/2008 7:09:24 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: tearlenb

The BS is the government at any level interfering with the operation of a business selling a legal product. Whether or not there were “jackbooted thugs” or not, these people should have been left alone. Additionally, I am more inclined to believe the story of the victims of this raid than the public officials who implemented and then defended it. The base line position is that those in power are not telling the truth, not the victimized subjects.


11 posted on 12/10/2008 7:09:48 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: tearlenb; Scythian; Still Thinking; Dutchgirl; tacticalogic; WayneS

Please see my post #9 above.


12 posted on 12/10/2008 7:10:31 AM PST by angkor (Conservatism is not a religious movement.)
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To: angkor

So, DID law enforcement use a SWAT team, or not?


13 posted on 12/10/2008 7:13:28 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: angkor
From my link in post 10.

Jacqueline and John Stowers, owners of the Manna Storehouse, 43565 SR 303, were inspected in November 2007 by the Lorain County General Health District, according to court records.

The Plain Dealer says not but court records say it was inspected. Also at my link are comments after the story.

14 posted on 12/10/2008 7:13:34 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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>>>>I’ll be interested in hearing the rest of the story.<<<<

See #9 above and click the link tot he Plain Dealer story.

I’m as concerned as anyone about the potential misuse of SWAT teams, but it appears not to have happened here.

They needed a license, they refused to get one. A search warrant was issued to inspect their facility and to obtain evidence of known and further wrongdoing.

End of story.


15 posted on 12/10/2008 7:15:13 AM PST by angkor (Conservatism is not a religious movement.)
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To: Wallace T.

Having witnessed and unfortunately been a part of just such a kind of raid, I can attest that the abuse that goes on is staggering. Especially the abuse (and I suspected theft) of personal property.


16 posted on 12/10/2008 7:15:42 AM PST by doodad
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To: Wallace T.
The base line position is that those in power are not telling the truth, not the victimized subjects.

That's pretty much where I'm coming from these days as well. The "cops", be they local, state and/or federal, more and more often go WAY overboard on simple issues.

17 posted on 12/10/2008 7:16:15 AM PST by WayneS (Let's have More Andy Taylors & Fewer Barney Fifes in Law Enforcement!!!)
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>>>>>So, DID law enforcement use a SWAT team, or not?<<<<<

Read the Plain Dealer story.

Loraine Country sheriff says they don’t have a SWAT team.


18 posted on 12/10/2008 7:17:06 AM PST by angkor (Conservatism is not a religious movement.)
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To: angkor

Most localities do not use their SWAT teams to serve simple search warrants.


19 posted on 12/10/2008 7:17:27 AM PST by WayneS (Let's have More Andy Taylors & Fewer Barney Fifes in Law Enforcement!!!)
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To: angkor
I don't think it's the end of the story. The local comments on the story that I found seem to indicate it's not. Hopefully more will come out.

And there are other links on FR.

While Navy Seabee Is Fighting in Iraq, His Family Under Attack by Food Regulators in U.S.

Btw, why has the government the right to approve our food?

20 posted on 12/10/2008 7:20:07 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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