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To: Star Traveler
You’ve been watching too many fictional movies...

Don't pretend to know what I watch, or what I think. But if you want to talk about movies, you sound like you've watched Charlton Heston split the Red Sea one too many times.

The pendulum swings in American politics. The Constitution still remains. What is needed is to have our culture go back to our Creator God as the divine founder of our country and the maintainer of the same.

The Constitution is being shredded even as I type these words, and what exactly do you propose that Americans do to "have our culture go back to our Creator God", pray perhaps? You don't think we've been praying, are praying and continuing to pray? Got any other bright ideas?

It’s not so much about politics and/or the Constitution, but more about recognizing God in our country (and in our politics and in our Republican Party) just like the founding fathers did when appealing to God to help them. This is what gives the *real power* (i.e., God, Himself) behind the Constitution. It’s the God of the Bible, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of the Christian faith and belief and of the Savior, Jesus Christ — that people need to appeal to, not the Constitution and not to arms.

You're preaching to the choir. You're not saying anything that American Christians haven't been doing, haven't been believing for years. But it sure sounds good when you post it as if it were your own latter day revelation, now doesn't it?

Without this very same Creator God of the Bible that the founding fathers appealed to in their struggle, there will be nothing gained (by any other means)...

You don't think our revolutionary ancestors were appealing to that Creator God at Lexington and Concord?

I'm all for beseeching the Almighty to have mercy on our Nation (not that I can think of many reasons why He ought to at this point), and I pray for my Country every damn day and night, because I witnessed first hand what happened when our illustrious courts evicted God from America's classrooms, and -what- filled that vacuum and the resulting flood of licentiousness, wickedness, situational 'ethics', narcotics-for-all and amorality-as-it-fits.

What you appear to be saying is that Americans should just sit patiently, keep praying, don't do anything rash, don't let anyone provoke us to violence, and "everything will be alright".

If that advice had been taken in 1776, Prime Minister 0bama would be preparing his Throne Speech for the Queen to deliver next month.

And Sam Adams would be laughing at you.
216 posted on 12/09/2008 12:13:52 PM PST by mkjessup (God, guns & guts have kept America free, we still need all three. The 'Arsenal of Democracy' is 'US')
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To: mkjessup

You said — “Don’t pretend to know what I watch, or what I think. But if you want to talk about movies, you sound like you’ve watched Charlton Heston split the Red Sea one too many times.”

The following (what you said, below) is what sounds like a fiction novel or the Friday night movies... LOL...


Most American patriots (including me) will keep their powder dry and their rhetoric hot until our adversaries screw up and overreach, and do something stupid.

Then watch all Hell break loose. William Ayers will be hiding under his Marxist bed, whimpering for 0bambi to save him, and crapping his pants.


That’s the “fiction” that I’m talking about. No such thing is going to happen. There’s going to be no powder, wet or dry, fired at anyone in the government — except for the *crazies*. Perhaps you are one of them, I don’t know...

As far as the movie that you refer to with Charleton Heston in it..., well, I wouldn’t use his name — but rather Moses and I would take the Bible exactly at its word and know that God did that very thing. Now..., if you think that’s fiction (instead of the stuff you wrote up above) then you’re just like Obama in his denigrating the Bible and those who believe exactly what God said He did...

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And then you said — “The Constitution is being shredded even as I type these words, and what exactly do you propose that Americans do to “have our culture go back to our Creator God”, pray perhaps? You don’t think we’ve been praying, are praying and continuing to pray? Got any other bright ideas?”

The Constitution is not being adhered to, but it’s not been shredded at this point in time. I don’t think it will be, either.

And yes, prayer is one of the *main* answers to what is going on, and that pertains to Christians, very specifically. And then, what Christians need to do is to tell more about the saving grace of Jesus Christ, so that we can have more Christians in this society, in order to vote in a moral government (and officials) that will adhere to the Word of God and also carry that over to the Constitution.

Short of getting more Christians in this society, at this rate the Christians are going to be losing ground, no matter what. And that may very well be the “sign of the times” in that God did say that Satan would prevail over the ones who were saved, as that was what Satan was granted for that period of time when he takes over this world, just before Jesus Christ returns again to set up His Kingdom on this earth, and rule over the nations of the world (the ones that we have in existence right now).

So, it’s either we get more Christians in this society and we turn back to God, as a result of that — or else — we’re going to continue to lose ground and we’re going to be continually losing these battles — but then again — if that’s the case, then that means it’s close the time that Jesus Christ comes again and that’s what must happen.

You’re not going to have the United States “turn around” from its continual abandonment of God in the public sphere and demanding that Christians stay out of public life and politics — unless we (as a country) have that repentance that God has always demanded of nations in order to spare them the coming judgement that God brings when people abandon Him and turn to evil.

No amount of court cases or political maneuvering is going to make up for what is need in the heart — namely someone that is saved by the grace of Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. Anything else that is tried to “make up” for the country “going to hell” is simply not going to work, unless people (as a society) turn back to God. That’s what it’s going to take, primarily.

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And then you said — “You’re preaching to the choir. You’re not saying anything that American Christians haven’t been doing, haven’t been believing for years. But it sure sounds good when you post it as if it were your own latter day revelation, now doesn’t it?”

It’s not preaching to the choir when I see many on Free Republic who have told me that Christianity doesn’t belong in politics and that it’s this kind of idea that is causing harm to the Republicans. All you have to do is go back to several of my prior posts and see where I’ve had those conversations with FReepers, so no..., it’s not preaching to the choir — it’s more like preaching to a bunch of atheists, agnostic and church-bench-warmers and cultists (although there is a goodly amount of Christians here; I just don’t know them all).

The way things are going and from what I see inside the conservative movement in many of them wanting to abandon the very *basis* for conservatism (which from my perspective is *Christianity*) — things are not going well in this country...

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You also said — “You don’t think our revolutionary ancestors were appealing to that Creator God at Lexington and Concord?”

Oh, I definitely think that they were, for the most part (perhaps not everyone...).

And then — “I’m all for beseeching the Almighty to have mercy on our Nation (not that I can think of many reasons why He ought to at this point), and I pray for my Country every damn day and night, because I witnessed first hand what happened when our illustrious courts evicted God from America’s classrooms, and -what- filled that vacuum and the resulting flood of licentiousness, wickedness, situational ‘ethics’, narcotics-for-all and amorality-as-it-fits.

What you appear to be saying is that Americans should just sit patiently, keep praying, don’t do anything rash, don’t let anyone provoke us to violence, and “everything will be alright”. “

WELL..., in answer to that, the Christian should do their duty, as a citizen, in any case. That’s not taking up arms for an armed revolution, though. That’s not called for here. That wouldn’t be a righteous war as it was for the Revolutionary War. That’s not what God is calling us to, right here and now.

And also, the Christian should do his duty to God, in spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ, in the hopes that enough of the people in the nation will “turn from their wicked ways” and recognize God, once again, as the founding fathers did, in their work in forming this nation.

Short of that happening — we’re all sunk and the time for Jesus Christ to come back is sooner than we thought...

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And finally — “If that advice had been taken in 1776, Prime Minister 0bama would be preparing his Throne Speech for the Queen to deliver next month. And Sam Adams would be laughing at you.”

You first follow your duty as a Christian, and then what is needed by your country. If it’s a righteous war, then follow as God leads. And that’s what the founding fathers did, along with the others who fought with them.

We’re not in a situation in which God would sanction a righteous war in this instance. We have the mechanisms that were put into place at the founding of our country and from what has followed since then — to follow through with. We have not exhausted all that — and I don’t think we will ever reach that point where we will consider all that exhausted and have to resort to an armed revolution against our own country (i.e., the government). We may have to fight wars with other enemies (of a shooting kind) but not with our own government...


234 posted on 12/09/2008 4:08:49 PM PST by Star Traveler
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