Plains Radio Webcast, This Evening: Listener's Notes - Donofrio (NJ), Wrotnowski (CT), Pidgeon (WA)

Investigating Obama ^ | 12/8/2008 | AW

[unspun]

Live updating through the evening -- my notes from tonight's Plains Radio Webcast. (Parenthetical comments are by I.O., AW.) After Jill Stanek, on the state of the pro-life movement in an American culture steeped in death are featured Natural Born Citizen Challengers, Cort Wortnowski (CT), Steve Pidgeon (WA) and Leo Donofrio (NJ) and... Chester A. Arthur.

Interview of Cort Wrotnowski...

• Donofrio's research on President Chester A. Arthur's covered-up U.K. citizenship brings new implications that will be included in the filing before the SCOTUS.
• If a SCOTUS hearing is held, Wrotnowski plans for Donofrio to present his case.
• Press is avoiding Wrotnowski, while it plays up the denial of Donofrio's hearing.
• Adam Liptak of the New York Times is inqiring, also Eric Zorn of the Chicago Tribune (obdurate leftist propagandist I've had experience with - AW).
• Joe Thunder reporting on the liveliness of the Washington Press Club press conference today, by others bringing suit (on the birth certificate). Thunder videotaped it. Pastor Manning was there, in addition to Orly Taitz. Thunder will post on his site, tomorrow afternoon, freedommarch.org.

During the break, I see on I.O's sidebar that Leo Donofrio has updated his blog about the Wrotnowski progress at the SCOTUS.

• Adulterated allegiances are very dangerous for a nation's Commander in Chief to have.
• After December 15, charge of the process of determining the presidency is passed from the Electoral College (provided they vote, that day) to Congress and the chances of effectiveness of law suits are diminished.
• Ed Hale pass along from Leo Donofrio that he believes Wrotnowski's case is very strong, with advantages over Donofrio vs. Wells. "Layman" Ed says he thinks this is indicative of positive results.
• A caller wonders if and when Obama's side will be called in and will weigh in.
• Cort has to beg off -- claims he's busy. ;-`
• The Political Pastor program is signing off; TPP announces his chat room at Plains Radio.
• Ed Hale will have Steve Pidgeon on, who is bringing suit before the Washington Supreme Court.

Break -- if they need to keep beating the SCOTUS over the head with 2x4's so be it, until they gain constitutional sense.

Now, Karen and Ed Hale's Lions' Den program - it's a long, rich, historical evening at Plains Radio, interviewing Steve Pidgeon...

• Pidgeon's case has standing.
• Discussion of the 1790 statute, setting forth a "natural born citizen" (BTW, this phrase was specifically stricken from the stature in 1795.) requiring both parents to be citizens and the father, a resident of the USA. This disqualifies Obama.
• The 14th Amendment calls anyone born in the USA a "citizen." (However, see the declaration of the framer of the 14th amendment, about being a "natural born citizen!"). And this requires Obama's mother to have been 19 (longer story made short) when Barack-II was born. She was 18.
• Suit says Obama, a. not a natural born citizen, b. not a citizen, and c. arrrghhh!! the program winked out on me and it isn't coming back up!

If/when I can regain the broadcast, I'll be back to it. Coffee... want... coffee.... // OK, it's back for me.

• I'm guessing that point "c." above is that his Indonesian citizenship revokes his American citizenship (or perhaps he point "c." has to do with the birth certificate).
• Pidgeon's suit may bring the first case with standing having to do with the birth certificate before the SCOTUS.
• Caller from New Zealand brings up the writing of John A. Bingham (framer of the 14th Amendment) regarding allegiance, to be a natural born citizen.
• Obama became a Kenyan citizen officially in 1963, then an Indonesian citizen. He was apparently adopted, from the Lolo Soetoro / Ann divorce records, by an Indonesian citizen. If he is an American citizen after these facts, this means Obama is a naturalized citizen, and utterly not a natural born citizen by anyone's construct.

The one and only Leo Donofrio, Esq. is now on the program...

• Talking about how lame and inexperienced the states are, at even considering how to verify the citizenship qualifications of candidates. (How can one certify without verifying?)
• About the history of Chester A. Arthur's huge cover-up campaign to hide his U.K. citizenship. He appointed Justice Gray, who is the very one who wrote the opinion in the Wong Kim Ark case which liberalized American citizenship requirements! (That sounds eerily familiar, if you have read what friends of BHO are opining about citizenship.)

Break. I'm getting angrier, now. Blood pressure rising. "History repeats itself." -- history of corruption of the sacred trust we place in elected officials. God, if you are judging America, please spare the most innocent and punish most, those who most deserve it.

• Donofrio's point seems to be that allowing a fictitious president allows a great deal of dishonesty -- it allows a corrupt U.S. President. Justice Gray may have been writing "that opinion to sanitize Arthur's citizenship." Quid pro quo dealing is implied.
• All of Arthur's decisions and actions are tainted for history.
• Per Arthur's example, "You can't have a precedent if it is a fraud."
• Donofrio being Donofrio -- warns Pidgeon to investigate how Roger Calero was not allowed ballot access, for the sake of precedent. (Whatever one says about his NJ style, Donofrio is an excellent tactician and strategist.) Says that someone from the SoS had Calero removed and who did that should provide sworn testimony, to build the case. (Selective investigation and disqualification.) There could be a cover-up in WA.
• Donofrio believes Wrotnowski's application is much better drafted.
• Donofrio explains how the judge in NJ misapplied his suit: action in lieu of a prerogative writ became forced by the court into a writ of lesser application. Then, they refused his motion by a hoodwink excuse, based upon the procedural error the court itself created. (I'm not a lawyer and don't even play one on TV, so pardon my terminology.)
• (BTW, I'm wondering, since Wrotnowski is not a lawyer and Donforio says he was/is pleased at how much better his case is drafted -- it would seem, before Donofrio got to it -- did they get help from another, attorney, in cognito? I did take Latin and I played a lawyer in a couple 5th grade vignettes.)
• The goofball idea that the SCOTUS should turn down the challenges, to avoid unrest and "overturning the will of the people." (David Horowitz is haranguing at conservatives challengers on this, for one.) Donofrio: "I'm sorry, it's not a real election if it's two fraudulent candidates."
• Pidgeon tells Donofrio that if the SCOTUS weren't interested in the case, it would have been rejected without going to conference. (My point: depends on the Justice.)
• Donofrio: even though he blogged about the idea that the SCOTUS might have preferred the strength of the Wrotnowski case, he was (stunned) when blog commentators told him Wrotnowski v. Bysiewicz was referred to conference, a few minutes later!
• A stay of the Electors before Dec. 15 would be in order, because otherwise there would be a conflict of laws.
• Allowing not a strictly "natural born Citizen," could allow an orchestrated agent provocateur to become U.S. President. (What about someone of the kind who, during his campaign, would hold a rally in Germany, before hundreds of thousands, claiming himself a "Citizen of the World?")
• Caller commends those bringing these cases, affirming that the United States Constitution is worth sacrifice.
• Ed Hale asks someone for a pack of cigarettes and to his credit says "please."
• Discussion shifts (degrades? I hope not) into some contention of the likely success of the quest for the original certificate of live birth (COLB) but rises back to the point that this is the responsibility of the states' Secretaries of State, to which Pidgeon and Donofrio agree.
• Ed Hale requests that Donofrio and Pidgeon come back Friday night.
• Leo has to work all night on the new, Chester A. Arthur brief and Cort Wrotnowski will drop it off in SCOTUSville tomorrow.

End of broadcast. Prayers are in order.

PS: my apologies, but not inclined to do much proof reading of the above.

[Kevmo]

What righties have to watch out for is posers, charlatans.
***That’s what I’ve been saying, and that we need an idealogical litmus matrix here on FR. Pinging BCSCO because we’ve had a bit of a running conversation on this.

[bcsco]

I will respond later. Have to get to my Kiwanis meeting & pick up an old gentleman along the way...

[BonRad]

Vid of Dec 8 National Prees Club vid is out (Thunder still a littler tired – Dec 11 is Thursday here I thought it was ‘just’ 90 minutes!)

http://www.freedommarch.org/Wild_Day.php

[here is freedommarch presentation:]

Wed 12-11-08 6:30 AM Monday’s Press Conference Tapes are up

T’was an ordeal just getting back to LA. 6 Hrs stuck in Houston due to SNOW. Strange days are afoot.

Offical NPC Tapes are posted by Bob Schultz. (I love that guy.) It’s a long PC, but the MSM has labeled these good folks as “conspiracy theorists” and the “fringe.” Typical. Wanting to verify that BO is qualified is no conspiracy theory - fringe maybe, but we should have more finge types in our society then. There is nothing more American than individualism.

See Bob’s official tapes here.

I must admit that the E-ticket trip to DC is something to still get my mind around. FM met a lot of new people, and we now have many contacts on the ground in DC. My term for what we’ll produce is “Reality Media.” There is tons going on in the baackground we’ll show you.

Here’s Pastor Manning at the PC. (Have to love Pastor Manning. What a steel spine.)

I heard enough to curl my hair while in DC. I’m not a fan of conspiracies per se, but trends and movements are not conspiracies. I’ll announce more as I can confirm. Will get an audio entry up later. Mrs. Thunder is after me to get some rack time.

The show tonight will be good.

Joe.

[end of freedommarch presentation]

“Bob’s official tapes” Url (2nd google vid down on left)
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=bob%20schultz%20press%20conference&rls=com.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GWYF&um=1&sa=N&tab=wv#+

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Manning vid url:

http://www.atlah.org/broadcast/12-10-08_56kb.html

[BonRad]

National Press Club- me tired too

[unspun]

Thank you BR. Just coming around to Internetland today. Listening to Bob Schulz now.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=bob%20schultz%20press%20conference&rls=com.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GWYF&um=1&sa=N&tab=wv#

[BonRad]

Just a great video recording of the presentation.

Hope it gets around fully and fast, but my fingers just seem to be unwilling. I’ve pinged twice, warty lil’ lazy finger mistake or two and all (shoot- I see Joe’s got one with “finge” instead of “fringe”). I think moi and Joe at least are trying to make sure we rest up for announcement on Wortnowski tomorrow.

Shultz does a fantastic job. Just fantastic. Berg is clear, think what you may of his pitch. Manning is being Manning and no one can do that (play on what Boston called “Manny-Ramirez- being Manny”, kept with him because he hit so many long balls). The real shining gem among three guest speakers is Dr. Orly Taitz.

Too bad some longer q’s didn’t make the mike but who’s quibbling. That woman on the Arab oil $ influence on media is great too. They let her go on quite appropriately.

I thought to send along link on what the Dr. raised near very end as she chided MSM to cover the CONTINUING paper trail of Bama Mama:

http://mitchell-langbert.blogspot.com/2008/11/contrairimairi-raises-baffling.html

If you haven’t yet, you’ve got to see this research on record searches on Stanley Ann Dunham & Madelyn...

[Fred Nerks]

A Message to our Electors:

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=sX7uuhHXs-0

[Iowan]

Thanks, BonRad

Catching up on the Pings from last night.

Appreciate the work you and unspun are doing.

I am unable to get the shows on my computer, so I appreciate your notes.

I haven’t noticed an errors, so keep up the good work!