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1 posted on 12/05/2008 8:49:36 PM PST by OL Hickory
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To: OL Hickory
I'm not active duty, but until or until there is a court finding that Obama is unqualified he will legally be the president. Making constitutional decisions is well above the pay grade of any active duty military person.
2 posted on 12/05/2008 8:59:17 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: OL Hickory
Ah, yes, the soon to be tested "Obama is really a Kenyan so I don't have to follow his orders" argument. LOL!

Hope no servicemember is betting their career (or freedom) on this one paying out.

3 posted on 12/05/2008 9:03:32 PM PST by Drew68
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To: OL Hickory

Your answer would be correct. And the UCMJ doesn’t have an appeal process to the USSC.


9 posted on 12/05/2008 9:11:30 PM PST by TheNewPundit
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To: OL Hickory

Not military, but... I have a bit of common sense.

Anyone trying to dodge service - especially using this as a justification - would be in a world of hurt.

An Army MP (Airborne, too, I think) used to live a couple doors down from me. I’d rather not imagine what he looks like while doing his job. ;)


10 posted on 12/05/2008 9:28:46 PM PST by CE2949BB (Fight.)
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To: OL Hickory
You took an oath to defend against all enimies foreign and domestic.

Yep, and domestic.

Ever wonder why that was put in there? Curiously, it is not in the President's oath, which is specified in the Constitution, but is in the oath taken by both military and civil officers, of both the US and the states, including legislators and judicial officers, (lawyers and judges, I watched both my daughter and son in law take a very similar oath, as newly licensed lawyers/officers of the court). In fact the requirement for such an oath comes from the Constitution itself:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution;

While the enlisted oath speaks of 'obeying orders', the officers oath does not. See The Oath of Office from the Air War College. The officer's oath has not changed since 1868, and the "foreign and domestic" part was put in in 1862. The language was not added to the enlisted oath until 1962, although before then the oath was to "The United States" and against "against all their enemies whomsoever;" or similar language in earlier versions.

15 posted on 12/06/2008 12:13:44 AM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: OL Hickory

This is going to be fun.


16 posted on 12/06/2008 12:28:23 AM PST by screaming eagle2
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To: OL Hickory
Easy. There's no such thing as a 'non-qualified President'. Either he's the President, or he's not. You may not like the fact that he's the President, and think he shouldn't be, but once he's sworn in, he's every bit the legal office holder that George Washington was. And he'll remain so, unless impeached and removed.

Plenty of people felt that Iraq was a bad idea, and that the President didn't have the authority to conduct said war, since War had not been declared formally by Congress. I was involved in arguements along this line. In Iraq. I understand that some people will always look for a legal escape to a political disagreement.

So, your reservist friend can grumble and complain all he likes, but unless he intends on becoming a fugitive, the law will compel him to serve at the discretion of his Commander in Chief.

20 posted on 12/06/2008 5:05:00 AM PST by Steel Wolf (Commander Barack "Spock" Obama, "But, Captain... that would be... illiberal...")
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I am interested to hear what local legal militias have to say about this, also should even more be organized in the name of defending the Constitution?

I personally do not believe in obeying a person who bought his position over me with money, lies and insufficient background, it would be exactly the same as surrendering to a hostile force.

And I would tend to think that if an event were to happen such as Obama orders the NG or Armed Forces to interfere domestically in a crisis and civilians were killed and subsequently Obama was impeached because of ineligibility would those soldiers be then tried for murder? Or if they refused to follow orders what would be the consequences?


21 posted on 12/06/2008 5:24:44 AM PST by Eye of Unk (Americans should lead America, its the right way.)
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To: OL Hickory
It basically asks: If a Reservist,National guard member becomes mobilized AFTER Jan 20th and gets put on one of the following orders, can he/she decline due to an illegal order being issued by a non qualified president?

I wouldn't. Leavenworth gets hotter than hell in the summer.

22 posted on 12/06/2008 5:27:13 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: OL Hickory
"... (besides a court marshal,...

It is Martial.SmileyCentral.com

23 posted on 12/06/2008 5:35:09 AM PST by verity ("Lord, what fools we mortals be!")
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To: OL Hickory

He can join Michael New.


30 posted on 12/06/2008 8:59:53 AM PST by Eagle Eye (Libs- If you don't have to play the rules then neither do we...THINK ABOUT IT!)
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