The Donofrio "Natural Born Citizen" Challenge (a timely explanation, to email to your cousins)

Investigating Obama ^ | 12-05-2008 | Arlen Williams

[classified]

Basically Donofrio is saying that 1) Obama’s father was from Kenya under the British gov. at the time Obamas Jr. was born, so that alone disqualifies Obama Jr. because of his father’s allegiance to another country, or something to that effect and 2) Obama Jr. later moved to Indonesia and was adopted by another father who had allegiance to that country and introdused the dual citizenship concept example again. So basically Obama Jr. is saddled with 2 examples of duel citizenship, with a suspicion of a fake birth certificate on top of all that. Is that right?

[unspun]

Yes, pretty much.

The most basic issue is that he was born with a father who was a U.K. citizen (provided he was his married father).

[Jeddi]

PING

[VlPu]

More horrible facts about the first role, Paul Palin selling loser McCain: (note that any of these facts are also ETIPs)
- the main reason to have McCain playing the LOSER role was because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone, i.e. not a natural born citizen, since the Obamessiah will be disqualified for also not being a natural born citizen (acceptance by association mind control technique);

Source: Horrible Facts about the End of the United States

http://engforum.pravda.ru/showthread.php?t=233644

[InterceptPoint]

It seems to me that the Donofrio case does not depend on the location of Obama's birth, i.e. Kenya or Hawaii. If so then the case would seem not to involve the Birth Certificate issue at all.

So a question for those who are closely following this case: Does the Donofrio case ask the court to demand that Obama provide a copy of his Birth Certificate?

[BonRad]

U 1 cynical guy! Some sheeple actually realize what has been threatened will be the course: habitual, continual suits every time the non-president does ANYTHING w/ power of office (you think the clerks boffo now?)...complete disrespect by foreign governments (just think, gazink!overt and covert blackmailing by those who DO know reality & ramifications-but why would rank & file NEA educated Dems even THINK of such!)...then very real possibility of widespread resignations at many levels but especially the military... potential for coup(s) d’etat(s)...

Several scenarios have been offered on blockage by officials involved in deliverance of Electoral College vote, Congressional confirmation of election, administration of Prez oath...oaths taken by ANYONE in the administration to uphold a usurper.

Are you kidding? If Bam Bam is found against it’ll be Prez Biden or Shillary. Bam Bam will have his people in and therein is his victory. Only Q then is if he goes to prison or some forgiving island-nation, if sub-Prez doesn’t pardon AFTER A TRIAL. Oh his poor little girls will be “punished” after all: no blackberry service!

Sorry, going “wobbly” here awfully early.

[OneTimeComment]

“Even if the Supreme Court had a unanimous decision that 0bama was not Constitutionally qualified to be President, who would actually enforce it?”

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Maybe public opinion would force the government to enforce the decision. It doesn’t make sense to just bury something very important that is amiss just because we don’t know how it will pan out. Our laws, Constitution, and process are all that separate us from a totalitarian society.

That said, I have no idea whether this is something that the Supreme Court should look into. I do know that if they find it is important they should look into it without consideration of the consequences of pursuing it.

I absolutely don’t support attempts to delegitimize any president. However, since I’ve recently been reading about this, after ignoring it for so long, there are some questions. Why are virtually all of his records sealed? Why doesn’t he just submit documents to the court, as McCain did. After all, there was not this kind of reaction when McCain’s eligibility was questioned last spring. Why is that?

[Uncle Chip]

The problem is that McCain was born at a hospital off-base.

My question would be this: Was McCain a Panamanian citizen at birth??? Did he ever have Panamanian citizenship???

His case is different from Obama's by virtue of the fact that both of his parents were American citizens.

[livius]

Yes, it’s different. I was replying to a poster who pointed out that a military base was US territory. That is true, but McCain wasn’t born on the base but in a civilian hospital in Panama. So technically he wasn’t born on US soil.

[browardchad]

Does the Donofrio case ask the court to demand that Obama provide a copy of his Birth Certificate?

In a word, no. The wording in Donofrio v Wells is interesting, though:

 As regarding the issues surrounding Senator Obama's birth
certificate, and if it may please this Honorable Court, I would point
out that Senator Obama has not  been presented with a genuine legal request from a party with proper standing to command
him in any way, and therefore he has no legal responsibility
to submit or to bend his integrity.  And for that, he certainly
deserves respect.

     Appellant believes that if Senator Obama is presented with a
legal request from a government authority sanctioned to make such request, that Senator Obama will respond accordingly and put
this issue behind him forever. 

 

[InterceptPoint]

(From the Donofrio Brief I assume)

Appellant believes that if Senator Obama is presented with a legal request from a government authority sanctioned to make such request, that Senator Obama will respond accordingly and put this issue behind him forever.

Very interesting wording by Donofrio.

OTOH, it would seem that the court would need to see the BC in order to validate that Obama's father was a citizen of Kenya. So their should be an implied requirement that Obama provide such proof by releasing the real (not COLB) Birth Certificate.

[Ghengis]

Even if the Supreme Court had a unanimous decision that 0bama was not Constitutionally qualified to be President, who would actually enforce it? Certainly no one from the Bush Justice Department. There might be a few U.S Marshall's that would be be willing, but their bosses sure wouldn't. Joe Arpaio would have the guts, but D.C. is kind of out of his jurisdiction.

Bush himself? Declare martial law and demand a new election? Hardly. He's already got his bags packed and can't wait to get the heck out of office.

Congress intervene? HA! Not this Congress or the next one. Maybe a dozen of them would make some noises about it, but they would not follow through.

There are a lot of scary scenarios from the dominoes being set into motion IF it is found that he is not a natural born citizen. The more serious being civilian uprisings or even a faction of the military forming a coup (Due to their Commander and Chief not being legitimate).

I see the more likely scenario being that the administration is blackmailed from various factions -- domestic and foreign -- which would dictate policies from the administration. Watch for a lot of Executive Orders if this occurs.

[Shady Ray]

OTOH, it would seem that the court would need to see the BC in order to validate that Obama's father was a citizen of Kenya. So their should be an implied requirement that Obama provide such proof by releasing the real (not COLB) Birth Certificate.

Unfortunately, I don't have a lot of time at the moment to expand, but something to remember is that the level of confusion that surrounded British Citizenship as de-colonization was going on is absolutely unreal. The Brits have had numerous overhauls of their laws since the British Nationality Act of 1948, which governed Barry's birth.

Long story short, the little bit of information that is blurbed on fightthesmears and FAKEcheck.org is not nearly enough to determine how he acquired British citizenship (there are five ways) and he lost it. Whichever way it was, though, it was either through his physical birth in Kenya, or his father's registration of his birth if born abroad.

The fact checker sites tried to make it seem as though he just got it from having a Kenyan daddy, but that is simply not the case. There was an affirmative step at the very least by his father, which is a major differentiator.

I think the Court by necessity will have to see the goods relating to his birth documentation and any subsequent affirmations/renunciations by Barry or even by his mother. Either way, they are the centerpiece of the debate on NatBornCit and it is an extremely subtle and technical case that Donofrio has brought.

Here is a link to the British Citizenship site: UK Border Agency

[Kleon]

Again, where did he get the initial U.S. citizenship they claim was revoked by Indonesia?

He got it by birth, meaning he's a natural-born citizen. The more I read about this case, the more I see how baseless it truly is. I'd rather see everyone go back to the whole "show us your BC" argument than follow this dead-end street.

[rswan6574]

I think if you check these web sites

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/
http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/

you’ll find some useful information. This isn’t a complete list, but our first 9 Presidents were born prior to the adoption of the constitution, and the first seven, and their parents, were all born British. They all could become President under the grandfather clause of Art. 2 Sec 1 Cl.5...”or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution,”