Posted on 11/20/2008 8:13:25 AM PST by Bill Dupray
No, but what if Obama is declared ineligible?
First of all, I will break out the champagne. But if Barry is declared ineligible, it won’t affect McCain, because he doesn’t become president automatically upon Barry’s disqualification. I believe there is something in the Constitution that addresses this dilemma. But it wouldn’t go to McCain.
Are you afraid of widespread Leftist tantrums?
My understanding is as follows.
At the time of Obama's birth (presumed to be 1961), if you were born outside the country to one American parent and a foreign national, the American parent must have lived in the U.S. for 10 years to confer citizenship. In addition, five of the 10 years must have been after the age of 14.
Obama's mother had lived in the U.S. for 10 years, but would not have met the "five of 10 years after age 14" requirement because she was only 18 when she gave birth.
None of this is relevant if he was actually born in Hawaii, which I still believe the most likely scenario. Nonetheless it does seem evident that there is something on the original birth cert that he desparately wants to hide.
When McCain’s birth came into question it went before Congress who (in their magnificent wisdom..ha!)deemed him natural born because he was on military soil owned by the US. At that time I remember reading that this issue was being discussed in Congress because of the possibility of a future problem.
I cannot help but believe that one of those fools in Washington or Chicago or the Pentagon knows the truth about Obama. I mean the most secret of secrets seem to be published....why not this?
I can’t believe that someone hasn’t touched another in Hawaii to go through those records and read his birth certificate. After all...isn’t Hawaii part of the US and under the federal laws as well as their state laws?
It is beyond unbelievable that a simple solution to all of this is....he produces that document...and, yet, no one (in ‘power’) seems to care. Doesn’t make one ounce of sense.
Now the SCOTUS has a HUGE problem if he is not natural born...which I am certain the founders meant on this soil because of the time the Constitution was written. The founders would have wanted this country led by a citizen born in this country to American parents (natural or naturalized). Otherwise, we would have ever Tom, Dick, Harriet or Habeed in any country coming over here and becoming President...but, wait, maybe we have done that already...silly me!
Yes, but it doesn't define what "natural born" is. Is it by soil or blood or both?
Not at all, what gave you that idea?
And his parents met citizenship status, right? I wonder what the court will do? I don't have much faith in them doing the right thing.
What is amazing is that there seems to be no real mechanism to determine eligibility. Theoretically, the Democratic party could run someone who moved to the USA at 6 months old, but has claimed to be born in the USA, jiggle the paperwork and get all the way to the electors. As long as he wasn’t a known person (like Arnold S.) you obviously could take it all the way to at least this point. If he was popular enough it is doubtful anything would come of it.
BESIDES the point of Obama, this is a considerable problem area in the future.
That very well could be the purpose of this suit going to the SCOTUS.
That's what I think too. But with all the emphasis on being "citizens of the world" and "one world order", it makes me uncomfortable.
“He arbitrarily cancelled the Consrtitutional rights of newly born alive infants “...
Wouldn’t it be amazing if his birthed presidency got aborted by the constitution. Oh the irony...
Right. Both of McCain’s parents were American citizens.
I’m with you, I expect the court to do whatever necessary to get Obama into the Oval Office.
Was just asking.
If not, I say let them bring it!
Go ahead and let them show everyone their disrespect for law and the Constitution.
Both his parents were ‘natural’ born....Daddy in Navy when he was born...on a base in the Panama Canal area....I don’t trust our govenment any longer to see that we, the people, are protected in a responsible, ethical and Constitutional way...we are at the mercy of mass incompetence, greed and criminal activity from those people in Washington....it worsens every year.
Please fax a letter to each of the Justices at 202-479-2971.
This is what I sent them. We should not directly attack ANY candidate, only express our desire the constitution is upheld.
Don’t copy what I wrote. Make your letter unique, it will have more effect.
My letter:
I am not a legal scholar. I do not claim to understand all that our forefathers wrote in the most fundamental document of our great country, our Constitution. I am a concerned average citizen who believes that our Constitution is the very foundation our country was built upon and needs to be upheld, for us a nation to continue. I am calling upon you to uphold our Constitution.
In the last several months there have been many questions raised regarding the Presidency and our Constitution. I believe it to be of the utmost importance that the Justices address this issue with haste, not only for our generation, but for generations to come. I, as a U.S. citizen may not have standing to challenge a candidate’s qualifications for President, but you do. (I’m not quite sure why that is, because I believe myself to be an injured party if a President is sworn into office and does not qualify for that office based upon our Constitution, but based on previous court rulings it would appear that I have no standing.)
I am hoping that you, as a Justice of the highest court in this land, will hear any and all arguments brought before you to settle this matter once and for all. We can not count on any of the political parties to address this issue, they have bias. I am not willing to “just take their word for it”. I am calling on the U.S. Supreme Court to finally put this matter to rest. We as citizens need to know that the President we elect does indeed “qualify” for the job, constitutionally. I urge you to go one step further and prevent this from ever happening again by clarifying what is required by law to run for office of the President, and who is responsible for upholding that requirement.
This may very well be the most important decision you as a Justice will ever make. Your ruling, or lack thereof, will forever impact our Presidential election process. I urge you to take this matter under advisement and give us a final ruling that clarifies this issue; we should not be faced with this predicament again.
I, as an American citizen am counting on you, Your Honor, to uphold our Constitution at all costs. If we start picking and choosing what parts of the Constitution should be upheld, what will be next, freedom of speech? The future of our great nation is at stake, and I as a citizen am counting on you to follow what our forefathers penned in the Constitution.
Respectfully,
How to address your letters:
Each Justice’s name & the mailing address for SCOTUS.
Address your letters to: (Make sure you write a letter to each Justice)
Chief Justice John G. Roberts
Justice Samuel A. Alito, Jr.
Justice Steven Breyer
Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg
Justice Anthony Kennedy
Justice Antonin Scalia
Justice David Souter
Justice John Paul Stevens
Justice Clarence Thomas
United States Supreme Court
One First Street N.E.
Washington, D.C. 20543
I agree. My eyes were really opened after 9/11, and it's only gotten worse. My biggest disappointment has been with the press. We always assume government will abuse power, but I used to be proud of the US press. That is no longer so.
From Leo on his web site:
(This blog post below contains the single most controlling legal precedent establishing Senator Barack Obama’s ineligibility to be President under the Constitution. So I am leaving this blog post at the top of the blog for the next few days. Please study its simple premise.)
Don’t be distracted by the birth certificate and Indonesia issues. They are irrelevant to Senator Obama’s ineligibility to be President. Since Barack Obama’s father was a Citizen of Kenya and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of Senator Obama’s birth, then Senator Obama was a British Citizen “at birth”, just like the Framers of the Constitution, and therefore, even if he were to produce an original birth certificate proving he were born on US soil, he still wouldn’t be eligible to be President.
The Framers of the Constitution, at the time of their birth, were also British Citizens and that’s why the Framers declared that, while they were Citizens of the United States, they themselves were not “natural born Citizens”. Hence their inclusion of the grandfather clause in Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution:
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President;
That’s it right there. (Emphasis added.)
The Framers wanted to make themselves eligible to be President, but they didn’t want future generations to be Governed by a Commander In Chief who had split loyalty to another Country. The Framers were comfortable making an exception for themselves. They did, after all, create the Constitution. But they were not comfortable with the possibility of future generations of Presidents being born under the jurisdiction of Foreign Powers, especially Great Britain and its monarchy, who the Framers and Colonists fought so hard in the American Revolution to be free of.
The Framers declared themselves not eligible to be President as “natural born Citizens”, so they wrote the grandfather clause in for the limited exception of allowing themselves to be eligible to the Presidency in the early formative years of our infant nation.
But nobody alive today can claim eligibility to be President under the grandfather clause since nobody alive today was a citizen of the US at the time the Constitution was adopted.
The Framers distinguished between “natural born Citizens” and all other “Citizens”. And that’s why it’s important to note the 14th Amendment only confers the title of “Citizen”, not “natural born Citizen”. The Framers were Citizens, but they weren’t natural born Citizens. They put the stigma of not being natural born Citizens on themselves in the Constitution and they are the ones who wrote the Document.
Since the the Framers didn’t consider themselves to have been “natural born Citizens” due to their having been subject to British jurisdiction at their birth, then Senator Obama, having also been subject to British jurisdiction at the time of his birth, also cannot be considered a “natural born Citizen” of the United States.
Leo talked about this. He said the Senate passed a resolution for McCain which is essentially meaningless. He said it was incredibly arrogant as a well. It was not legally biding and they cannot amend the Constitution on the fly. I blame the GOP. Leo was very complimentary on Mccain’s USN service but he said both he and Obama are not eligible.
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