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You Want A Contitutional Crisis Now? Or Later?
Politcally Toast ^ | 11/18/08 | staff

Posted on 11/18/2008 3:31:57 PM PST by pissant

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To: little jeremiah

If Obama is actually ineligible, it is a very serious problem for which not a single soul will be held accountable. It is an extremely serious problem. The fix for the problem, however, is very simple. This is not a constitutional crisis.


121 posted on 11/19/2008 6:50:53 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of The Free Because of The Brave)
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To: Swordmaker
Let me put this out there just for the sake of argument.

On November 6th Obama began receiving the same national security briefings that President Bush has presented to him, without having been sworn into office.

Do you really think that the CIA and other agencies are going to share the most top secret information in the world with a man that can't even hold the office? When presented with the national threat assessment, Obama is not only receiving the intelligence information from the US, he is receiving top secret information from Israel, the members of NATO and others. Do you truly believe that the people responsible for Israeli intelligence are going to share their information with this country when our president-elect is not even eligible for the office?

When I sat down and started to think about this birth certificate mess, it seems to me that somebody, somewhere, has seen all they need to see to verify that Obama can be presented with national security and world security secrets. I certainly could be wrong, and in that case we are all in a world of hurt because we have no security whatsoever.

122 posted on 11/19/2008 7:05:50 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of The Free Because of The Brave)
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To: Jet Jaguar
I wouldn't be surprised if Russia and China have their intelligence agents crawling all over Kenya and all over Hawaii as well.

This could easily turn from a Constitutional crisis into an international incident depending on how the Russians and Chinese play their cards.

123 posted on 11/19/2008 7:38:42 AM PST by America2012
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To: RipSawyer
Pissant my FRiend, what it’s going to take to restore this Constitutional Republic (if it’s even possible at this late date) is the latter day equivalent of Lexington and Concord.
Except this time it won’t be the royal forces of King George we are refusing to submit to.

Well, if it comes to that it will depend on whose side the military takes. In a battle of civilians there is no contest, most liberals have no idea how to fight.


I would bet dollars to donuts that in a potential showdown, that the Armed Forces of the United States will uphold their oath to defend our Constitution from 'all enemies, foreign and domestic", which would mean curtains and lights out for the 0bamunists.

No one should be fooled into thinking that this past Election means 'business as usual' everything has changed and/or will be changing, and the previously hidden fist of Communism which had been entrenched within our federal government has now emerged and has our Republic by the throat.

This ain't your Daddy's Democrat Party folks, that party is dead and buried. What you're seeing now is the seizure of power by the latter day descendants of the CPUSA.

The Commies ain't comin', the Commies are HERE, and we're about to see Comrade 0bama and his politburo installed as the ruling class of our former United States.
124 posted on 11/19/2008 8:14:05 AM PST by mkjessup (Thomas Jefferson was RIGHT about the need to water the Tree of Liberty, and with WHAT.)
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To: trialbyfire

please ping me when you have more info.


125 posted on 11/19/2008 12:58:55 PM PST by Gemsbok (Follow the trail,...,.,.,.,..... I know where it leads)
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bfltr


126 posted on 11/19/2008 1:06:03 PM PST by boxerblues
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Original birth certificate ——————————————Unavailable
Obama/Dunham marriage license -—————————Unavailable
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license ————————— Unavailable
Soetoro adoption records-————————————— Unavailable
Dept.of Education Hawaii Kindergarten Records-— Unavailable
Punahou School records-——————————————Unavailable
Occidental College records —————————————Unavailable
Passport (Pakistan) -———————————————— Unavailable
Columbia College ——————————————————Unavailable
Columbia thesis ———————————————————Unavailable
(Topic: Nuclear Disarmament, written during Cold War ’83)
Harvard College records -——————————————Unavailable
Harvard Law Review articles ———————————— Unavailable
(Evidence that one may have been written, yet it is unsigned)
Baptism certificate ——————————————————Unavailable
Medical records -———————————————————Unavailable
Illinois State Senate records -————————————None
Illinois State Senate schedule ————————————Lost
Law practice client list ———————————————— Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles –—————— None on file

Indonesian Besuki School Application—————————Located
(Enrolled with name Barry Soetoro-faith “Islam”
Selective Service Registration- -— Released, but under investigation as fraudulent

Oddly enough, the suppressed document that bothers me most (with the exception of the BC) is the Department of Education State of Hawaii school records. They are the 2nd record of contact with authorities that would have provided not only Date & Place of Birth, but also a legitimate birth name and record of vaccination that identified where he was raised. No one enrolls in school in Hawaii without a vaccination record, yet he is identified in a class photograph while the records are non-existent. Below is a link to the questions arising from the SSR and a well written opinion.
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/11/exclusive_did_n.html
http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin84.htm


127 posted on 11/19/2008 1:11:06 PM PST by Gemsbok (Follow the trail,...,.,.,.,..... I know where it leads)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

‘’’On November 6th Obama began receiving the same national security briefings that President Bush has presented to him, without having been sworn into office.’’’

I believe that if problems are anticipated, they might have wanted to leave a couple of things out of that briefing.


128 posted on 11/19/2008 1:18:18 PM PST by Gemsbok (Follow the trail,...,.,.,.,..... I know where it leads)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

‘’’On November 6th Obama began receiving the same national security briefings that President Bush has presented to him, without having been sworn into office.’’’

I believe that if problems are anticipated, they might have wanted to leave a couple of things out of that briefing.


129 posted on 11/19/2008 1:18:20 PM PST by Gemsbok (Follow the trail,...,.,.,.,..... I know where it leads)
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To: Gemsbok

If they did omit the most classified items from the briefing, he may now be as well-informed as a newbie-class Freeper.


130 posted on 11/19/2008 2:06:55 PM PST by bootless (Never Forget. Never Again. And NEVER GIVE UP!)
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To: Gemsbok
It makes much more sense that they would not brief him at all. Unless you are aware of a requirement that they begin briefing him immediately, there was an option not to begin briefings. About the last thing the Bush administration needs is a scandal where Obama was not briefed fully, especially if something horrible were to happen. The hearings, trials and wailing would never end.

Why is it so hard to consider that a thorough background check has been performed? They are under no obligation to tell us that it has been done and they have seen all of the necessary documentation from Obama. There are, however, requirements that a person have a top secret clearance to have access to top secret information.

131 posted on 11/19/2008 2:30:33 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of The Free Because of The Brave)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Why would they tell us that a thorough background has been done? Normally, it’s assumed, but in this case, where there have been serious and persistent doubts about his nationality, it would behoove them to clarify the situation as the doubts become louder, more frequent and more serious.

It’s the Caesar’s wife thing... avoid even the appearance of impropriety.


132 posted on 11/19/2008 2:44:20 PM PST by bootless (Never Forget. Never Again. And NEVER GIVE UP!)
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To: bootless
"Why would they tell us that a thorough background has been done?"

They wouldn't. That's why I said they are under no obligation to do so. Some people are having a hard time getting their head around that concept.

I had a low level security clearance 20 or so years ago because I was an officer in a defense subcontracting company. Believe me, you do not provide them with a copy of a document you claim as your birth certificate. You sign your life away for all kinds of personal information and they get it themselves.

It stretches the imagination that Obama's original birth documents have not been examined prior to receiving a national security threat briefing.

133 posted on 11/19/2008 3:23:04 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of The Free Because of The Brave)
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To: janereinheimer
If, knowing that his birth makes him ineligible for the presidency, then why would that not be a fraud, therefore, a felony, therefore a “high crime” that would demand removal by impeachment?

It's only a high crime if a majority of the House and two thirds of the Senate agree it is. How likely is that?

134 posted on 11/19/2008 3:37:11 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
- His paternal grandmother said she watched Obama's birth in Mombasa, Kenya

She also said this:

The marriage later broke up after Anna's father opposed it, according to Mama Sarah.

"Anna's father was furious about the marriage and threatened to have Obama Snr expelled from the university. Our son sent us letters, pleading that we intervene to save the marriage," remembers Sarah.

And this:

We were informed that Obama's foster grandmother, Mama Sarah Ogwel, who brought up his father, had actually travelled to the US to visit several times.

Mama Sarah told us: "He is very enthusiastic about his relatives here. He keeps on sending people to find out how we are faring."

And whether or not he wins the Senate seat, the 43-year-old Harvard University trained lawyer is expected back in Alego to build his "Simba" (a young man's hut) in line with Luo traditions.

Barack has deep roots here. He once told me he has two homes - Kenya and the United States, she says happily.

I don't know how much of what she says to believe.

Sarah Obama has a way of mixing up truths with things that may not be true.

But since it couldn't be that hard for Barack Obama to put the rumors to rest if they weren't true, one has to wonder whether there may be something behind all these rumors.

135 posted on 11/19/2008 3:50:07 PM PST by x
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To: txflake
NBC put a copy of the forged COLB up?!?!

Unbelievable.

They also put up a link to a story that Hawaii state officials have confirmed he was born there. Add to that the fact that his birth was announced contemporaneously in two Honolulu newspapers. Of course, it could all be a giant conspiracy, spanning 47 years, involving his parents, the two newspapers, and the State of Hawaii. But not very likely, I would say.

At best, the original certificate contains some embarrassing fact about the One. But nothing that would affect his eligibility to be president.

Oh, and that CoLB NBC posted? It's no forgery. It's just the same crappy scan that's been all over the net for months now.

136 posted on 11/19/2008 4:06:10 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: JustaDumbBlonde; pissant
Well.. from another dumb blonde, let me tell you it is 1992 all over again out there.

Went to make Grandma and Aunt eggplant parmigiana (like the nice Italian girl I am), got to listen to CNN for 3 hours, with Bubba figuring prominently.

All we need is Monica, Reno and Starr and we are truly back to the future.

I may not ever leave the house again.... ping me when it's over, man.

137 posted on 11/19/2008 4:59:06 PM PST by txhurl (somebody just bought 12 Carrier Battle Groups for 600 million dollars)
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To: txflake

Obumpa


138 posted on 11/19/2008 5:04:31 PM PST by hoosiermama (Berg is a liberal democrat. Keyes is a conservative. Obama is bringing us together already!)
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