Posted on 11/16/2008 1:53:54 PM PST by sportsone234
There is no solid evidence to support any theory including the one that says he is an American citizen natural or otherwise. 0bama is simply ... present.
But all this is only relevant if Obama wasn't born in the U.S. If he was born in the U.S. he's a natural born citizen and that's that.
IIRC, she did release her medical records. I didn’t read them, though.
Yes, you are correct. The situation is surreal.
The Drive-By media and other source fractions created Him. Anybody who publicly would touch it would go down, slaughtered, by the same media as being racists!!!
At that time it was five years. 14 + 5 = 19 - 18 = 1 year short. See www.obamacrimes.com
it's all explained there.!!!
Add to that his Indonesian citizenship???
b. Sec. 301. The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
...
g. a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (59 Stat. 669; 22 U.S.C. 288) by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person (A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or (B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date;
This information comes from pp. 15-17 of the following U.S. State Department document:
7 FAM 1130
ACQUISITION OF U.S. CITIZENSHIP BY
BIRTH ABROAD TO U.S. CITIZEN PARENT
which is available in PDF format here:
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86757.pdf
And just to cut off your "What about...?", the ex post facto doctrine only applies to criminal law. Citiaenship law is not criminal law.
A person can meet the requirements of Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 regarding being a natural born citizen while also being a citizen of another country. The two are not mutually exclusive.
My son, for example, is a natural born citizen of the US and a citizen of at least two other countries. He will be Constitutionally qualified to be President at age 35.
I was naturalized in 2007, but retained my two other citizenships. All perfectly legal and the US is aware that I hold passports from two other countries.
You swear an oath of allegiance to the US when you are naturalized, but there is no legal requirement that you relinquish any other citizenships.
“Anybody who publicly would touch it would go down, slaughtered, by the same media as being racists!!!”
In that case, we shall never get to the truth of his citizenship and as I said before: “Give it a rest — the masses have spoken and they do not mind giving a possible non-US citizen excess to our nuclear arsenal and control over our armed forces.”
I agree fully with you, and that is the reason that our founding father's vision for our country's future and our present Constitution has been trampled down in the dirt!!!
Meaning that He has mentioned that our Constitution has flaws???
> You swear an oath of allegiance to the US when you are naturalized, but there is no legal requirement that you relinquish any other citizenships.
Now *that* is great news — thanks!
When you become an American citizen, you have to take an oath of primary loyalty to the US, and promise to serve in the military if called, but your original citizenship is between you and the other country - the US doesn’t care. Indeed, you are warned that if you travel back, even on your US passport, you may be subject to their laws.
I’ve been told that India doesn’t allow dual citizenship; Mexico used to be the same, but changed their laws a few years ago to allow it.
As you can see below, the actual oath appears, at first glance, to be stronger than what I’ve said above, but my statements reflect the actual practice.
“I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.”
It is hard to believe, but the issues surrounding “natural-born citizen” clause have not been resolved. If they had been, Attorney Donofrio would not be bringing this issue to the Supreme Court.
On the surface what appears to be self-evident, is not. Obama is not the first politician confronting this issue. Lowell Weicker, FDR, Barry Goldwater Sr. & Jr. also had to deal with this issue.
Download the Jill A.Pryor Note on this topic. It was written 20 years ago and is 19 pages long. The Note is full of background information.
There are numerous citations that will direct you to the answer of your question. Remember, case law has changed since this was written, but this is a real good place to start.
As of today’s date, (as I understand it) Donofrio’s petition has been submitted to Justice Clarence Thomas and it is on the court docket . . . and now we wait.
Born to one natural-born citizen and one naturalized citizen.
but at age 18-21 he will have to declare his citizenship with the USofA and abandon citizenship to the other two Nations to be eligible to be POTUS.
That's not correct. There is no requirement under US law for him to do anything, ever, to retain his American citizenship or his natural-born citizenship status. At birth, at least two other countries considered him a citizen (and maybe 3, we're looking into it). We will need to fill out the appropriate paperwork with the embassies of those countries to make sure that they are aware of his birth and recognize him as a citizen, though that is just administrative.
Oh, I know that. I'm mostly just having some fun, especially with all those folks who used the Second's extra commas to try and make it only apply to militias. My serious point, such as it is, is that the Obama qualifications argument is a fiddly one - but if you want a really fiddly argument....
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