Thanks for the idea. It's payback time.
Posted on 11/06/2008 4:37:57 AM PST by moneyrunner
Same media? You REALLY think so? I’m not one prone to whining, but the coverage of this race compared to previous races was not even close to being the same.
Right. I keep forgetting. We don't play by their rules because we're above that.
I guess that's why we're doing so well at this point.
Wrong. We need to read Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals and adopt their tactics. Only by doing so will they abandon that rule book and return to civility. Until then, expect their vitriol to increase and for conservatives and Republicans to be kicked in the crotch and pi&&ed on even more.
You go ahead though, and play nice. The rest of us will get down and dirty.
I agree. And I’m pretty sick of how so many talk-radio hosts are falling over themselves to congratulate the thug politician from the Chicago streets who does not have the credentials and experience for his historic win.
The only thing historic about his win is that he is the first communist to steal the presidency of the US. We’ll never know the full extent of the impact of ACORN and we’ll never know where his campaign money came from. And he was never vetted by the MSM who gave him a free pass.
We don’t need to congratulate him. We need to use the same tactics the left used. We need to denounce him as a liar.
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EXACTLY.
Fair and square?
That’s a laugh. He won it by conning the American people, by ACORN voter fraud, illegal campaign funds and by the MSM covering for him and cramming him down the voter’s throats.
Hussein will NEVER be my president.
Those who want can tuck tail and skulk away.
I’ll still fight to discredit the sob and bring him down.
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We live in a republic.
I suspect you know this and are promoting democracy knowing that it is never a successful form of government.
This is garbage. 95% don’t pay taxes? Obama said we were racists? Really? Hire a fact checker or give it up.
And there is a problem, not solely with military men and not with all of them, but common to them that they are Competent and Able To Get Things Done but, being military, they tend to believe that it is the strong competent man who must have his hand on the helm for things to work properly. That translates to active attempts to work the levers and push the buttons on the bridge to keep the economy functioning efficiently. Even if that sort of control worked it sucks in the perceived "experts" to be the helmsmen- Harvard guys, Bernankes, Paulsons, Goldman-Sachs guys- micromanagers and Keynesians all. Finance men, not economists. Economists tell you how things work. Keynesians and finance men think they have to make things work.
Do you not agree that the media played a very significant roll in this election? They seek and destroy Republicans year after year and glorify Democrats. When a citizen asks a question, the media sworm to destroy that citizen. When a GOP candidate is selected, they are destroyed. Palin was demonized to avoid independent candidates from voting for the GOP ticket, whilst the 30 year record of boneheaded opinions by Biden were swept under the table....he was a wise foreign policy expert despite his opposition to Reagan's policies, voted against the first gulf war, but for this Iraq war. No decisions were questioned. The media is an arm of the DNC now. It was said by an insider at Newsweek in 2004 that the media was worth 15% to Kerry. I concur.
I hope FR doesn't split into two camps those who still want to play footsy with our enemies, Leftists, and those who are willing to get down and dirty to fight to save this country.
There has always been that wing of conservatives who maintain that we can't stoop to their level. They are winning because they don't mind fighting on the ground. They are winning because they cheat. I'm not saying we need to cheat. But we need to stop trying to be so above it all, reach across the aisle, make nice.
They hate us. They want to turn the US into a soviet-style state. If others don't want to get their hands dirty now, their hands will be dirty later when they're digging ditches for the State.
The end NEVER justifies the means. You don’t support sound MORAL policies with dirty tactics.
Taking the high road does not mean being a doormat either. There is a distinction.
There is much to be done to take advantage when the awakening comes, that Obama was really not what he so eloquently described himself to be.
I know there have been many pretty much unsuccessful attempts at forming a third party--but the time might be ripe for such right now.
We have 4 years to work on it before the next presidential election (assuming there will ever be another presidential election, and now just a crowning ceremony.)
I agree that there's certain organizational tactics that are universal and work for all ideologies, but we need to be careful of who we throw in with and not to make a pact with the devil in order to regain political power. IMO, Alinsky's philophy is one we should be knowledgeable about but those of us with a sense of Christian morality should not adopt those tactics. Again, he was a Marxist. Do we adopt Stalin's tactics because they were effective (and lethal)? Hell no!
Thanks for the idea. It's payback time.
No congratulations are due, so I will say nothing.
Let’s get a few facts straight. Obama got more votes. Period. Full stop. The part about fair and square is sheer BS. In your comments you admitted voter fraud. What area of fair and square does that occupy in your universe? He raised hundreds of millions of dollars in undocumented contributions via the Internet using credit and gift cards while deliberately disabling fraud filters. I wrote about this here. This enabled him to outspend McCain by a factor of 2 to 1. How much of that came from illegal contributions? Unless there is an investigation, we’ll never know who paid for the Obama Presidency.
I used an awkward sentence structure regarding the proportion of people who pay taxes. The point is that it’s impossible to reduce taxes on people who don’t pay taxes and the proportion of people who do not pay taxes is roughly 30-40%. There is a difference between a tax reduction and a government handout, genius. Calling it a tax reduction makes welfare look more palatable to people who don’t know any better.
And I’m getting more than a little fed up with a-holes who classify dissent with whining. If you don’t like what I said, go pound sand.
No, we did not, and I suspect you know it.Yes, it was the same media. The same faces on the same networks. The same.
In those elections there was a feeble pretense of objectivity, a thin veneer of pretended balance.When the campaign started, McCain called the media his "base." The reporters were overflowing about stories of how great it was to travel on the "Straight Talk Express" and have cocoa. If there was any media bias in this election, it started as pro-McCain.
A lot of people are whining about the media because it didn't do what they wanted it to do. Oh boo hoo.
An example was the Ayers story. Sorry to break it to you, but "Obama pals around with terrorists," is a subjective judgment, not a news story. The news story was that Obama was on the board of a charitable organization with a guy who has spent the last two decades or so being a respected university professor. I tried (diplomatically) to point this out several times in discussions here, but oh no, this Ayers connection was a silver bullet that was going to take down Obama. Bzzt. Wrong.
Then there were all of the items that were just plain ludicrous. The birth certificate BS, the allegations that Ayers wrote Obama's books. That was just retarded. Some Freepers even did an analysis trying to prove the book connection and all they proved was that two works in English will have a lot of the same words. Real experts in detecting plagiarism and ghost writing found no evidence that Ayers penned the books. But oh no, we were going to show the world that Obama was a Kenyan crook.
The media in this country tells people what they want to hear. That's how it works. That's what Rush Limbaugh does. Look back at what he said over the course of the election. Was he right about anything? Were the geniuses at National Review or the Weekly Standard? These are conservative media (explicitly) and they didn't serve anybody any better than the drive-bys.
Is the media broken? Yes, but we need to work around it, not attack it. We need to stop thinking of it as if it were a predator, and think of it more like a parasite. A predator is out to get you; a parasite just does what it does and causes harm.
We can spend the next four years flogging the narratives that so many go attached to ("Obama is a Muslim!" No, he's not) and we can lose again in 2012. And we can blame the media again. Maybe we should pay attention to what's going on in the world and respond to it instead of making of character attacks on people. What if, in the wake of the economic crisis, McCain had actually presented an economic plan that was different from Bush and showed the country how it would be better than Obama? What if he had done that instead of just attacking Obama with vague, broad allegation of "socialism"? He would have won in a landslide.
Amen
Whining is whining.
There’s always voter fraud and there are always donations that slip under the radar. Every year.
The only reason that these have come on the radar is that the previous two elections were so painfully close. This election was not close. Investigate all you want. Maybe voter fraud will be found, but I’ll tell you this with certainty, that when it is factored out, Obama still would have won decisively.
Look at the much-hated polls. They were spot on. Not only were the polls accurate, but projections like the one at fivethirtyeight.com were 100% accurate. Voter fraud doesn’t show up in polls. In fact, that’s one way of detecting it. If there had been any significant voter fraud, the polls would not have been DEAD ON. Sorry, that’s just common sense.
You won’t get them either; once screwed, people seem to want to stay that way.
The end we’re talking about is saving the country.
Any tactic that is not illegal is fair play. This is to avoid civil war. If it ever gets to civil war, then there are no rules.
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