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Tell this Poster why he's wrong: (Vanity) McCain will lose
Self | 11/3/08 | Stingray

Posted on 11/04/2008 1:55:06 AM PST by Stingray

Yes, I'm afraid after all the hope poured out onto these pages, John McCain will lose. There are at least two very important reasons for this (and they have nothing to do with media bias).

The first is - simply put - that McCain ran a lousy campaign. There was no focus on any one particular message that resounded with voters until Joe The Plumber came along (too little too late?) despite the fact that Obama's own voting record in the Senate said at least as much about his plans to "tax and spend" this country into bankruptcy faster than any president before him!

Why McCain was so hesitant to call Obama out on his liberal views is simple: McCain shares many of them! McCain believes - like Gore and Obama - that unless we do something about co2 pollution, we're doomed to suffer the ravages of global warming! In fact, McCain has often stated the need for tighter legislation aimed at curbing greenhouse gases, and has voted for those that have come before the Senate! Nevermind the fact that anthropogenic global warming is "junk science", McCain has bought into it and that is just one area where his "Maverick" stance in the Senate has actually put him on the side of the most liberal senator there is!

There are other issues that were taken out of the McCain playbook because of his record and past indiscretions in the Senate. Can't raise Obama's associations with Wright, Ayers, Khalidi et al without having to defend himself from his disastrous association with Charles Keating. Is it any wonder McCain didn't want to touch Obama's associations with a ten-foot pole?

McCain can't bash Obama for wanting to "bankrupt" coal companies, when his own plan to convert the country to natural gas (for the same green purposes as Obama) would've had roughly the same effect! Yet another issue taken off McCain's plate.

And how can you decry Obama's "socialism" when they both voted for the biggest socialist bailout of investment banks the world has ever seen? McCain's vote for socialism at that level is no less aggregious than Obama's desire to "spread the wealth", and is especially vexing in light of the fact that the bailout legislation doesn't solve the underlying causes of the latest finacial meltdown in the first place!

So you can't attack Obama for being "green", for his past associations, and for his socialism because of McCain's "glass house" record on these issues.

So what's left?

Let's see: you start to make promises to the American people that make Obama's sound downright fiscally conservative! In a race to see who could give away more of the store, McCain and Obama were running neck-and-neck. Remember McCain's promise to tap 300 billion dollars of the bailout money to help homeowners stave off foreclosure??? Obama had been promising something similar for weeks ahead of McCain finally chiming in on the great taxpayer gravy train!

Tax cuts? Both were promising them. I cringed whenver I heard McCain start to talk like a fiscal policy wonk. It literally made me change the channel!

And please, John, the fundamentals of the economy were NOT sound when you made such a ridiculous statement at a time when foreclosures and bank failures were starting to mount! How can anyone seriously criticize Obama and Biden for their gaffes, when McCain provided the greatest bulleting board material of all time?

To this day, McCain continues to resort to the only trump card he has: his military service. While not enough can be said about his sacrifice for this country, most people - who just want to see us get out of Iraq and Afghanistan - don't want to see the same things, or worse, happen to their kids or friends. His greatest positive was a reminder to people of the brutality of war and why - depsite the fact he's the best qualified to be Commander-in-Chief - they don't want to be in one.

The second reason is, simply put, most Americans want change and feel - somehow - that Obama is the best one to bring about that change. Nevermind that "change" is a word completely devoid of any meaning without context, people want it. Obama's use of the word in making it the cornerstone of his campaign simply illustrates - again - how he was able to tap into this desire and play it consistently for all it was worth. McCain never had anything remotely resembling a message like this he could stick to through this campaign.

On a closing, personal note, I find two of the McCain campaign's most glaring errors revolved around their public announcement to pull out of Michigan, and the way they fed Sarah Palin to the wolves (the Couric and Gibson interviews).

On Michigan: even if you can't justify the expense of making another trip to the state, you have to keep in mind that you have coattails upon which other candidates are riding. The worst thing to do is tell the press you're pulling out of a state like Michigan weeks before the election! Pull out if you must, but keep your freaking mouth shut about it! McCain's decision to pull out early, and announce it to the world, has screwed a number of GOP congressional candidates, leaving them to fend for themselves, where they are being outspent by a large margin!

On Palin: the biggest mistake the campaign made in letting her do those post-convention interviews was that she simply was not ready for the kind of sleezy "gotcha!" questions she would have to field from people who were clearly in Obama's back pocket! They were going to go for the throat on her (never intending to ask Obama what qualified him to be president!). The final insult of those interviews was to reduce her to a punchline on Saturday Night Live, a show which mercilessly lampooned her even when she was there! She was clearly not ready for the kind of campaigns on the national stage that gets run down here in the lower 48, and it showed. She could've been a tremendous asset if handled properly. Instead, she became a national joke, undeserving as it was. I blame the McCain campaign for that.

So gear up for 2012 all. We're simply going to have to field a much better candidate then.


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: 2008; 2010; 2012; campaign; defeatist; election; mccain; mccaintruthfile; obama; obamacon; palin; rino; sarahpalin
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To: Stingray

No, McCain is going to win.


81 posted on 11/04/2008 2:57:17 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the Lord-(Jer.22:29))
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To: ventana

“Listen, Stingray can have his opinion.”

You bet! That’s one of the things that makes this forum great. I live in Austin. If Stingray’s analysis is correct (with which I disagree) I reckon downtown Austin is going to be flooded with tears.


82 posted on 11/04/2008 2:58:06 AM PST by cweese (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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To: GOPyouth
Regardless of who wins, and I’m hopeful that McCain is going to pull off Virginia and possibly Pennsylvania, the biggest mistake John McCain made in this election was to accept public financing. Now, granted, if McCain wins, it won’t necessarily be considered a mistake, but this race shouldn’t be close.

I dont like his CFR, but I have to hand it to him for sticking to his guns, you can imagine how they would react if he did the same thing obama did.

83 posted on 11/04/2008 2:59:09 AM PST by 09Patriot (I am a MILITANT Conservative, compassionate conservativism got us NOWHERE)
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To: Stingray
First of all, I’ve probably been a member of this forum long before you came along. Secondly, I take no joy in seeing McCain lose. I will be voting for him today. That doesn’t change what I feel about the imminent outcome of this election. I hope I’m wrong. I don’t think I am.

IF he does lose you can post your opinions of why he lost, AFTER the election.

84 posted on 11/04/2008 2:59:13 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the Lord-(Jer.22:29))
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To: cweese; ventana

Er, I meant if Stingray’s analysis is INCORRECT. Sheesh, gotta get some coffee.


85 posted on 11/04/2008 2:59:41 AM PST by cweese (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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To: Stingray

Thanks for the heads-up, you saved me a trip to the poll......


86 posted on 11/04/2008 2:59:59 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Spreading manure around helps growth. Spreading wealth around creates manure)
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To: dbehsman

I voted republican in 06, this year there isnt a congressional or senate candidate for me to vote for.


87 posted on 11/04/2008 3:00:56 AM PST by 09Patriot (I am a MILITANT Conservative, compassionate conservativism got us NOWHERE)
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To: Stingray
Given the fact that you’ve all chosen to attack me rather than the points I raised in my post means you have no better argument than to attack the messenger? Hate to say it, but that’s pretty typical of someone who’s losing the debate.

There is nothing to debate, since McCain hasn't lost!

So, what is being discussed is your TIMING, not your arguments.

88 posted on 11/04/2008 3:01:25 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the Lord-(Jer.22:29))
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To: 1035rep
McCain to win with 300 + electoral votes

Amen

89 posted on 11/04/2008 3:02:16 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the Lord-(Jer.22:29))
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To: xzins
If McCain loses it will be because so-called conservatives were busy pissing and moaning because their personal little ideal worldview wasn’t followed 100% 90%, 80%, 70%, 60%, 50%, 40%, 30%

You are right, though your snide tone is not. Conservatives vote *for* Conservatives. By now, one would think that would be expected.

MccAin't does not represent Conservatism to any degree, and cannot be defended on that ground. Why expect Conservatives to vote for him? By what right is the Conservative vote reserved for him?

90 posted on 11/04/2008 3:03:39 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Melinda in TN
Ifinally saw an anti-Obama ad by the McCain campaign last night. It was an attack on Obama and Rev. Wright. That ad and others should have been playing over and over for the last week or two instead of the night before the election.

Now, why would McCain run ads in Tenn.?

92 posted on 11/04/2008 3:05:18 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the Lord-(Jer.22:29))
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To: Stingray

IBTZ!


93 posted on 11/04/2008 3:09:01 AM PST by MaggieCarta (Michigan. Coming soon to a country near you.)
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To: dbehsman
I thought you guys already did the protest in 2006?

Yes, we need to keep 'punishing' the GOP until its the size of the Libertarian Party!

94 posted on 11/04/2008 3:09:21 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the Lord-(Jer.22:29))
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To: 09Patriot
I voted republican in 06, this year there isnt a congressional or senate candidate for me to vote for.

No GOP congressman to vote for-that is odd.

95 posted on 11/04/2008 3:10:58 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the Lord-(Jer.22:29))
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To: roamer_1
MccAin't does not represent Conservatism to any degree, and cannot be defended on that ground. Why expect Conservatives to vote for him? By what right is the Conservative vote reserved for him?

You just vote for some little 3rd Party and feel pure while we Republicans deal with the real political world.

96 posted on 11/04/2008 3:12:48 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the Lord-(Jer.22:29))
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To: Stingray

Why don’t you post this at DU? You’ll be celebrated for it.

Stupid, defeatist vanity — looks like you just can’t wait for Obama and the Dems to destroy the US.

We will prove you wrong.


97 posted on 11/04/2008 3:13:42 AM PST by FocusNexus ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: D-fendr
That argument is stupid, ignorant, ill-timed, inflammatory, absurd on it’s face, laughable and a servant of evil.

YES

98 posted on 11/04/2008 3:14:02 AM PST by Petronski (Please pray for the success of McCain and Palin. Every day, whenever you pray.)
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To: fortheDeclaration
You just vote for some little 3rd Party and feel pure while we Republicans deal with the real political world.

Yeah... that always works out soooo good for ya.

99 posted on 11/04/2008 3:15:11 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Stingray

He isn’t wrong.

Our next president will be a socialist with a super majority in congress.

He will be the least qualified yet most powerful president in history. And he is the ruination of our great country.

God help us.


100 posted on 11/04/2008 3:15:35 AM PST by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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