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To: Salamander
This is the kind of stuff for the alien-abduction crowd.

"Hidden hypnosis," as a concept is bogus. I'm a retired shrink, among other things, who used hypnosis daily for many years in clinical practice.

All hypnosis is self-hypnosis and cannot be "imposed" by an outside force.

3 posted on 10/18/2008 2:14:11 AM PDT by Rudder (That one, Hussein Obama)
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To: Rudder
yesssssss.. all hypsois is self-hipnosis and cannot be "imposed" by an outside force.....all hypsois is self-hipnosis and cannot be "imposed" by an outside force...all hypsois is self-hipnosis and cannot be "imposed" by an outside force...all hypsois is self-hipnosis and cannot be "imposed" by an outside force...
6 posted on 10/18/2008 2:16:46 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Only a coalition of Marxists and Islamists can destroy the United States. ~ Carlos the Jackal)
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To: Rudder

Would you like to transfer your wealth to me now?
or five minutes from now?


8 posted on 10/18/2008 2:18:44 AM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: Rudder

I don’t believe in aliens at all but people *have* used extremely effective mass manipulation techniques on crowds throughout history.

A lot of Germans later made statements to the effect of “I don’t know what came over us!”.

There is precedence for the “emotional” control of crowds.

Even Christian preachers use speech patterns, trigger words and cadence to subliminally influence their flocks.


10 posted on 10/18/2008 2:22:50 AM PDT by Salamander (The guy who owns Craig's list gave $30,000 to Zero. Boycott Craig's List!)
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To: Rudder

"... there is something that you know but you don't know you know it. As soon as you find out what it is that you already know, but you don't know, you know then you can begin" There is a certain enticing quality in "not knowing what you know."


12 posted on 10/18/2008 2:24:59 AM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: Rudder

“All hypnosis is self-hypnosis and cannot be “imposed” by an outside force. “

Did you even read it all?

Nowhere does it say he is “imposing” *anything*.

It does state a good case for highly a effective hypnosis technique and the suggestible crowds are ~accepting~ it themselves, thus negating the entire “imposition” argument.


14 posted on 10/18/2008 2:28:48 AM PDT by Salamander (The guy who owns Craig's list gave $30,000 to Zero. Boycott Craig's List!)
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To: Rudder

What is your take on cult worship like brainwashing. The Jim Jones thing is a good example. I think thats what we are seeing with Obama.


87 posted on 10/18/2008 4:14:47 AM PDT by beckysueb (Drill here! Drill now!)
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To: Rudder

A retired shrink? Now you know it’s gonna be hard for us other freepers to resist telling you our problems... haha... j/k ;-)


99 posted on 10/18/2008 4:27:31 AM PDT by DrewsMum (My 8 year old son: "Why do people think Obama is the Messiah? He ain't even a good Senator!)
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To: Rudder

>>>>This is the kind of stuff for the alien-abduction crowd. “Hidden hypnosis,” as a concept is bogus.<<<<

I studied Ericsonian hypnosis and NLP formally for a year and informally for longer, and it is not “alien abduction “ or “bogus”. As you know, that’s a charge that’s been made by “mainstream” shrinks for decades.

While I don’t subscribe to every assertion in the referenced report, it *is* generally correct in laying out the technics and language patterns.

>>>All hypnosis is self-hypnosis and cannot be “imposed” by an outside force.<<<<

True. Which is why all serious practicioners of Ericsonian hypnosis and NLP recognize the essential need for rapport with the subject.


138 posted on 10/18/2008 5:09:00 AM PDT by angkor (Conservatism is not a religious movement.)
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To: Rudder

You want tinfoil and aliens?

Here ya go!

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2008/10/prweb1395924.htm

[I think he’s serious...or maybe from Sirius]


218 posted on 10/19/2008 3:22:59 AM PDT by Salamander (Where am I to go now that I've gone too far?)
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