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To: Reagan69
we are headed for a division of our country

Dividing what from what? The Civil War was easy: the Mason-Dixon Line clearly marked one side vs. the other. We don't have such a line this time.

Here's a map from 2004 showing the voting tendencies by county:

The dominant feature is that the blue/red divisions (such as they are, which is not a bright line) are urban vs. rural, not a simple line. Consider too that the resolution of that map is only to the county level; zoom in to precinct level, and you'll see the same type of urban/rural division, right up against urban boundaries.

Given that, where do we draw a line? Geographic division is easy when a line can be drawn with a stroke of a pen. What we have is an archipelago, dividing a broad sea from many islands; this is not easily divided.

The only other "line" is the one addressed by a true civil war (the Civil War was really over secession, not over who ruled all), the political persuasion of the legislature/administration/judiciary and the system that flows from there. The only truly viable winner is one who can satisfy (generally speaking) all parties involved, not just which can force their will on the others.

The only viable solution is to persuade one side that what they seek is misguided, that they HAVE the freedom to live as they wish - and if they despair for the fates of others, they must accept that the fate was chosen (to wit: poverty/need/want is largely a choice, not something solved by redistribution of wealth).

Assert life, liberty, and property. Hold to Constitutional values. The system is good, though the occupants may strive to pervert it. Keep the peace by restoring Constitutional rule.

BLOAT.

52 posted on 10/15/2008 7:09:06 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: ctdonath2

The North and South could have survived without one another. If the South had won and gone their separate way, it would have simply been another case of a region breaking off from an established nation, something that has happened many times in history.

But liberals cannot survive without conservatives. If we were to somehow ideologically segregate the nation, and then split it into two countries, the leftist nation would degenerate into savagery literally within hours. There would be hordes of people clamoring to get across the border into the rightist side in no time.

It isn’t that all liberals are dependent people. Some are quite wealthy. But those wealthy liberals use the conservative middle class as a buffer against the large number of liberals who are indeed dependent, prone to violence, and culturally degraded. If we were to split into separate leftist and righting nations, the upscale white leftists such as Kos, Streisand, and all the others would find themselves outvoted immediately by the welfare crazed, affirmative action demanding masses wanting “housing”, “health care”, racial preferences, and so forth. They need a conservative presence in society as a buffer to allow them to indulge their liberal fantasies against the reality of what socialism and diversity really mean.


74 posted on 10/15/2008 7:47:14 AM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: ctdonath2
Dividing what from what? The Civil War was easy: the Mason-Dixon Line clearly marked one side vs. the other. We don't have such a line this time.

Bingo. That is the crux of the issue. Had we been divided by geographical lines, we'd be divorced already.

And I think it would be a lot less painful that way. As it is, one side has to hold victory over the other.

I'm just afraid because it appears that Socialism always wins. Heck, it's crept over the planet like a disease. We're the only Western nation that's kept it at bay this long.

80 posted on 10/15/2008 8:04:05 AM PDT by Marie (Charlie Gibson is a condescending tool...)
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