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To: richnwise

This court case against Obama seems so nonsensical, in that, if all Obama and his people have to do is produce a birth certificate, the lawsuit would have to be dismissed.

On the other hand, if Obama doesn’t have a birth certificate, if he has something to hide, he would rather drag his feet on the court proceedings, rather than try to bring it to a swift conclusion.

But a big question of mine that I don’t know the answer to is : since Obama’s mother was an American citizen, doesn’t that make him an American citizen, even if he was born overseas?


4 posted on 10/11/2008 9:03:01 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego

In this you are right, but this part of the constitution has not been tested because since it was enacted, we have not had an instance in which this could have occurred.


6 posted on 10/11/2008 9:05:11 AM PDT by richnwise (Live free or die!)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

No, not if his father was foreign.

His mother was 18. She did not live sufficient time in the US after the age of 16 (5 years required) to be able to pass citizenship on to a child not born in the USA and not born of a US father.


7 posted on 10/11/2008 9:06:05 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
But a big question of mine that I don’t know the answer to is : since Obama’s mother was an American citizen, doesn’t that make him an American citizen, even if he was born overseas?

If his mother was 19 at the time of his birth, yes. But she was only 18, so the answer to your question is NO!

8 posted on 10/11/2008 9:07:41 AM PDT by Roccus (POLITICIAN.....................A four letter word spelled with ten letters.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
since Obama’s mother was an American citizen, doesn’t that make him an American citizen, even if he was born overseas?

No, she was only 18 at the time. If she was 19 he would be..

9 posted on 10/11/2008 9:09:38 AM PDT by cardinal4 (Dont Tread on Me)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
On th other hand, if Obama doesn't have a birth certificate, if he has something to hide, he would rather drag his feet on the court proceedings, rather than try to bring it to a swift conclusion.

Well, dragging his feet seems to be exactly what he is doing. So what does that tell you?

12 posted on 10/11/2008 9:13:18 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Dilbert San Diego

“..since Obama’s mother was an American citizen, doesn’t that make him an American citizen, even if he was born overseas?”

What about his father’s citizenship — wasn’t he a Kenyan? Could it not be that he is a Kenyan if he were born in Kenya? Up to now 0bama has not been able to verify with certainty that he was even born in Hawaii or on American soil.


14 posted on 10/11/2008 9:16:20 AM PDT by 353FMG (What marxism and fascism could not destroy, liberalism did.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
The law at the time required that his Mother be a US Citizen AND have been a US resident for at least 10 years (5 of which had to be after her 14th birthday). Since she was 18 at his birth, it was impossible for her to have the residency requirement satisfied.

You know, it just occurred to me that Obama's Father probably committed statutory rape when he was conceived. I guess not if they were already married.

18 posted on 10/11/2008 9:19:09 AM PDT by politicalmerc (NObama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

“This court case against Obama seems so nonsensical”

My remark below assumes that Obama is not citizen

Actually the bigger issue, is if he gets elected, then he has cracked the wall so any foriegner could run in future.

The reason for the citizen clause is apparent. Allegiance to this country only, not some other country.
Flippin commies,socialists and marxist see this guy as their hope of nullifying that clause.

I predict if (shuddering) Obama gets elected we will find out he is not citizen.


19 posted on 10/11/2008 9:19:22 AM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: Dilbert San Diego

“since Obama’s mother was an American citizen, doesn’t that make him an American citizen, even if he was born overseas?”

NO - you must be born in US os on a US base.


27 posted on 10/11/2008 9:30:16 AM PDT by zwerni (*** PALIN/mccain 2008 ***)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Another issue in the suit is that it claims he is a citizen of Indonesia. If true, I think the cure for that is supposed to be some sort of naturalization process he should have gone through and the suit asks for proof that he did that. I think that issue is supposed to be applicable regardless of his place of birth. This is something that 0bama would have more difficulty proving, especially if he didn't do it. But there are probably legitimate questions of law there, since the suit relies on application of various Indonesian laws to 0bama that are claimed to have affected his status as a US citizen. If he or his guardians had followed the letter of US law at the time he returned to the US, there would be no problem, but it is more likely they did not.

As for his mother's citizenship qualifying him as a natural born citizen regardless of birthplace, the suit claims that laws at the time of his birth required the mother to have been a US citizen for a certain number of years after age 14, and claims that, due to her age at the time of his birth, she could not have met that requirement. Therefore, he must have been born on US soil to qualify as a natural born US citizen.

32 posted on 10/11/2008 9:34:34 AM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (Oregon - a pro-militia and firearms state that looks just like Afghanistan .)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Just in case anyone cares it appears that Obama Sr. did have sex with Barry's Mother before she was 18 but in Hawaii the age of consent is only 14.

BHO's mom was born November 29th, 1942 and had BHO on August 4th, 1961. Now he could have been an early baby, (3 of my 5 were) but 9 months from November 29th is August 29th. So she was under 18. But, as I said the age of consent was 14! So she was an old lady there.

And just for p's and q's they got married in February 1961 while she was pregnant.

38 posted on 10/11/2008 9:37:49 AM PDT by politicalmerc (NObama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
But a big question of mine that I don’t know the answer to is : since Obama’s mother was an American citizen, doesn’t that make him an American citizen, even if he was born overseas?

No one is questioning his citizenship. To run for pres, you must be born on American soil.

BTW, there is a possibility that Obama's parents were not married. That may be why his COLB is not being produced. If that is the case, then everyone would know what FReepers already know, that he is a b@astard.

49 posted on 10/11/2008 9:48:53 AM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

“since Obama’s mother was an American citizen, doesn’t that make him an American citizen, even if he was born overseas?”

It isn’t an issue of citizenship. The law requires a person be born in America to run for the office of the presidency.


74 posted on 10/11/2008 10:10:21 AM PDT by billhilly (I was republican when republican wasn't cool. (With an apology to Barbara Mandrell.))
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To: Dilbert San Diego
It is weird, isn't it. It could be that he was born in Hawaii but doesn't want to release his Birth Certificate because it has some info he is trying to hide--a middle name, his parents not being married, something like that. It is exceedingly unlikely that he was not born in Hawaii. People do not put in newspaper announcements, in 1961 in America, on the possibility that their son who is half Kenyan could grow up in an eventually colorblind society and become a US Senator running for president 48 years later. That would be a little foresighted even for his commie mommy.

The other issue that is more intriguing is whether Barry Soetoro traveled to Pahk-ee-stahn on an Indonesian passport, perhaps taking in a few madrassas with his roommate along the way. That is something that is entirely possible. Kid grows up in Indonesia, comes back to US at age 10 or 11, learns to hate the US as he is mentored by his bisexual black commie friend, and so, when he travels to Pakistan, a Muslim land, it makes sense to do so on his Indonesian passport (which he may have had from traveling back and forth to see his mother.)

THAT would make things interesting. I wonder why Bill O'Reilly couldn't bring himself to ask if Barry ever had an Indonesian passport.

99 posted on 10/11/2008 11:54:19 AM PDT by Defiant (With Barney Frank, a reach across the aisle just becomes a reach-around.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
This court case against Obama seems so nonsensical, in that, if all Obama and his people have to do is produce a birth certificate, the lawsuit would have to be dismissed.

NO, it is NOT that simple!

Even IF he could produce a REAL other than the fake, this is not enough!!

The framers made it clear that you CANNOT have OR have had dual citizenship in order to qualify. Muhammed? barack does NOT meet that criteria. That is why he wants the lawsuit to be dismissed!!!

100 posted on 10/11/2008 12:07:31 PM PDT by danamco
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