Posted on 10/07/2008 9:42:16 PM PDT by andrew roman
Two words kept popping in and out of my head during the second Presidential debate between Barack Obama and John McCain disappointing and tedious. Setting aside the fact that the proceedings seemed to drag and on at an agonizingly tortuous pace with little more than eye-watering yawns from my end to disrupt the monotony, this debate had the personality of a lima bean can. Add to it the fact that there seemed to be more passion exuded by Tom Brokaw, the moderator, when asking the candidates to step aside from blocking his view of the teleprompter than anything either of them said on stage, and youve got a first-class, bona-fide dud.
Specifically and perhaps most important tonights non-debate debate was not, to quote a phrase, a game changer from Senator McCain and frankly, I was hoping it would be. While I certainly dont think Senator Obama as the next President of the United States is a foregone conclusion yet, he clearly took another step closer to the Oval Office on Tuesday. If the poll numbers are to be believed, neither candidate will do much in the way of movement as a result of this debate. In short, it was not a great night for the Republicans and it really needed to be.
There was one moment, I would have to assume, meant to serve as that game changer for Senator McCain early in the debate a grenade lobbed in from left field that, honestly, stunned me and fell well short of its intended target (at least for now). McCain, seemingly from whole cloth, said that when he is President, the federal government would help stabilize the housing market by buying up bad mortgages and refinancing them for home owners at market value to the tune of $300 billion.
What?
Ill need more information on that one before I blow a bazooka through it.
My frustration with this particular presentation was that I found myself disenchanted on two fronts. First, early in the debate, I found myself screaming at the television even more so than I had during their first debate, probably because I was yelling at both Obama and McCain, and often for the same things. It seemed to me, primarily, that they were differing on the finer points of similarly held positions.
Despite an all-too-quick and truncated attack by McCain on the Democratic involvement in the current financial crisis which, by the way, started off promisingly enough and had me thinking this was going to be a feisty performance by him - there was yet again more McCain pandering with fuzzy-middle non-speak about corruption on Wall Street, blah, blah, blah
Huge mistake.
Entirely too much time was spent on selling bi-partisanship and extending arms across the aisle. It came across as weak and contrived and surely did nothing to endear McCain to anyone.
Second, the number of missed opportunities by McCain to slap back hard at Senator Obama was staggering. My slowly building disgust was fuelled not only by the lack of substance coming from the lips of Senator Obama which is a given - but in the fact that Senator McCain was profoundly ineffective in countering him as I wanted him to be and as I felt he needed to be to turn the tide.
Perhaps Im in a minority here, but I am sick of listening to Senator Obama and the Democratic Party demonize those who provide jobs to a large portion of the American public. I am also annoyed that no one especially Senator McCain calls out Senator Obama and his ridiculous assertion that 95% of Americans will get a tax cut under his save the middle class tax plan. How on earth is it possible to get a tax cut when you dont pay income taxes? A little more than 45% of Americans do not repeat, do not pay income tax. That means Senator Obamas tax breaks will amount to a welfare payment to those who dont deserve it.
Senator McCain, are you home?
Can someone also inform Senator Obama that to raise taxes on corporations, as he wants to do and says is somehow fair, results in customers and workers bearing the ultimate burden?
I know youre in there, Senator McCain! Can someone (figuratively only) just slap Senator Obama across the kisser or anyone else for that matter who has the utter audacity to call the attacks of 9/11 a "tragedy?" They were an act of war. Period.
This must anger you, Senator McCain! Show it!
Is there anyone with even a remedial knowledge of how budgets work willing to spare an afternoon (or perhaps a weekend) with Senator Obama to explain to him that the ten billion dollars a month being spent on funding the war in Iraq is not repeat not being taken away from anyone or anything domestically? It is not being diverted from, say, emergency food and clothing needed for naked, emaciated children in our inner cities. Thats not how it works, Senator Obama.
Answer the door, Senator McCain! The bottom line is John McCain wasnt horrifically bad. True, he had me biting my bottom lip when he went on about the conspicuousness of global warming; He had me shaking my head when he once again hoisted his arrows at the greed of Wall Street; He induced stomach gurgles when he kept reminding us how much of a maverick he is, pulling names like Feingold and Kennedy out of his hat. (I kept a bottle of Tums next to my cream soda as I watched).
However, let me say, without reservation, that substantively, Senator McCain was the clear winner of this debate. The problem was he just wasnt as good as he should have been and frankly, could have been.
Its not over by any means I just wanted more of a Hell yeah! taste in my mouth at the end of that day.
I walked away with an Uh, okay.
Yes, did you see the cover of NewsWeak Mag during the primaries in which they had Romney’s mugshot and a caption
“Mitt Romney - A Mormon Journey” ???
They were trying to label him hard for being a Mormon.
What if they did the same for Obama (”Obama: A Rev Wright Journey???”)
I am talking about looking back at things like “if we had elected George Allen (in 2006) or Romney, or Hunter, or.... “ that is all water under the bridge, we do nothing constructive looking back, what is.. is.... and we have two choices, I hope we all choose wisely.
Well then I have my answer. I should be a good party voter. Bad news for you, I am a Conservative, registered as an Independent. Once every 3 1/2 years I switch to republican so I can vote in the primaries. For 20 years I was registered as a Republican and will become a Republican again when the party returns to its conservative values.
Good luck with that if Obama is elected. OTOH if McCain is elected he likely will only serve four years and Palin will be ready to run.
Tired, worn out line. Get use to the idea of socialism because its coming in January.
P.S. I already voted for Palin.AWB
I think Freepers are expecting too much from these 'debates'.
They are really for the undecided, not those who have already committed.
I am talking about looking back at things like if we had elected George Allen (in 2006) or Romney, or Hunter, or....
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Once again that was not my interest. Sounds like if the words “George and Allen” are mentioned, then you’re reflexively assuming I’m griping about not electing G. Allen in the primaries.
My larger strategic question was:
How do we protect conservatives such as George Allen and Sarah Palin from being destroyed? And it specifically applies to Sarah Palin in the next 4 yrs whether she is elected or not.
The foreign minister of Hamas has recently endorsed Obama for president, another story that has sunk like a stone, barely reported other than by Fox and WorldNetDaily, even though Sen. John McCain brought it up on the campaign trail.
In 1998, reports Wallsten, Obama attended a speech by Edward Said in which Said called for a nonviolent campaign “against settlements, against Israeli apartheid.” Later, Obama and his wife were photographed at dinner with Said. “If only Obama could burn this picture,” writes Al Ahram, but the Cairo paper printed the picture anyway.
Abraham Foxman, national director for the Anti-Defamation League, told the Los Angeles Times, “In the context of [Obama] spending 20 years in a church” where anti-Israel rhetoric was repeated, “that’s what makes his presence at an Arab-American event with a Said a greater concern.”
Wallsten reports that Abunimah of Electronic Intifada said he heard Obama call for an “even-handed approach” toward Israel. In 2004, when Obama was running for the Senate, Abunimah quoted Obama as saying that he was sorry he wasn’t talking more about the Palestinian cause, but that his primary campaign had constrained what he could say. (Obama told Jewish leaders in Cleveland recently that a pro-Israel position is not necessarily a pro-Likud one.)
http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/5080
More anti- American friends of “The One”. Old news but should be remembered I think.
This probably doesn't make sense to you, but if we win in November it will be with the help of the people who are sick of the radicals who have bought their party and is funding a crooked media who is trying to destroy people like Sarah Palin, George Allen, etc... anyone they consider a challenge to their radical views... we have to break the radical back of the democratic party...
If they do not suceed in breaking that back, it looks like more moderates will be part of the GOP and that pulls the GOP more to the left than many are comfortable with.
JMHO
This probably doesn’t make sense to you. . .
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I was agreeing with you until said the above. Amazing how you’re so patience with moderate Dems, and yet for a fellow freeper none. I can tell you’ve got this template you’re reacting to; you’re not reading carefully enough. So end of discussion.
WOW. Thanks for the awesome post!
If you can seriously look at Obama and his merry band of communist followers and refer to them simply as Americans, you're deluded. They may have been born here, but as long as they support socialism, they are the enemy. They are certainly not people with which we need to compromise.
It's compromise with the left that has brought us the ponzia scheme known as Social Security. It's compromise with the left that has brought us racial quotas. It's compromise with the left that has given the environazi movement a stronghold on our own energy markets. It's compromise with the left that has brought us the failed Fannie and Freddie. It's compromise with the left that has brought us the housing and mortgage crisis.
The left represents the leeches on our society that take the fruit of the earner's labor for themselves under the guise of "fairness" and with the force of the government. They need to be removed, not accommodated.
When has the left ever "reached across the aisle" except to slap those from which they steal?
Thanks to 1035rep!
No, what got us a democRAT controlled congress in '06 was a Republican-controlled house, senate, and presidency that refused to act like conservatives. People will come out of the woodwork to vote for a true small-government conservative. One like Reagan. But when the right veers too far to the left, people stay home on election day.
Then I have to disagree with you. Sorry but that kind of thinking is as much a part of the problem as anything else.
Thank you for the conversation, it was enlightening on several levels.
The speech in New Mexico was great!
I don’t think McCain will ever address Obama’s “issues” in a debate.
However, he had almost an hour with Sarah on H & C tonight, and had no trouble calling Obama out.
Let them come. I’m stating my fears about what might be a plausible scenereo. If that’s criminal, they can do what they gotta do.
Disregard my last post to you.
I’ve changed my mind.
After seeing the new ad, hearing McCain name names today,
and seeing that Obama and Biden have asked him why he won’t
say that to their faces, I believe he’s going to call them out,
and name names in the next debate.
I was going to skip it, but I won’t now!
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