Posted on 09/06/2008 11:47:33 AM PDT by Stayfree
Compare Obama's supposed birth certificate with that of our youngest daughter who was born at Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. Even though hers was prepared about 10 years after his, note that hers is similar in form to that of us old folks and our parents and grandparents with lots of info, whereas his contains very little info.
Very nice work. But there is more to it than that. Barack Obama has to two hurdles to leap.
One, I believe the citizens of this country will not elect a person with dual citizenship, perceiving him/her as having split allegience. That being said, neither the U.S.Senate or the State Department can make up rules as to what required qualifications are necessary to be eligible for the Presidency. To change the U.S.Constitution requires creating amendments to it. Really, it will be up to the Supreme Court to determine, per Article II of the U.S.Constitution, exactly what is meant by “natural born citizen”.
Secondly, there is the matter of his legal name. The suspicion is that little Barry was adopted by his stepfather when his mother, Stanley Ann, married Lolo Soetoro. Barry’s orginal BC was sealed and a new one issued in the name of Barry Soetoro. That is the name Barry used in Indonesian public schools (no foreign children were or are allowed into Indonesian public schools), Lolo Soetoro was listed as father, citizenship was listed as Indonesian, and religion listed as Islam (Muslim). It is plasusible that the reason no birth certificate is being openly vetted is because it is in his LEGAL name of Barry Soetoro, not his “also known as”, Barack Obama.
It is illegal to run for office using a name other than your legal name. There is no evidence that Barry ever changed his name to Barack Hussein Obama II, and the evidence would be very public, as a public declaration in a newspaper is required for finalization in Hawaii and other states.
Any ballots turned into election offices with other than a candidates legal name are destroyed. That is one of the aims of the Berg lawsuit: what is the Senator’s legal name, and is he running for the Presidency using an alias?
So the birth certificate having patriotic importance, is, in the long run, small potatoes compared to the “...who is he, really?” factor in this political contest.
Does this information make sense to you? Obama won’t bring out his BC because it isn’t in the same name he is using now.
One, I believe the citizens of this country will not elect a person with dual citizenship, perceiving him/her as having split allegience.Right. This is a powerful political issue for the campaign.
That being said, neither the U.S.Senate or the State Department can make up rules as to what required qualifications are necessary to be eligible for the Presidency. To change the U.S.Constitution requires creating amendments to it.The framers designed a system to keep these questions in the political arena. They didn't want unelected judges resolving them. The power over presidential elections is given to the most political branch of government.
Really, it will be up to the Supreme Court to determine, per Article II of the U.S.Constitution, exactly what is meant by “natural born citizen”.The argument Ted Olson made would prevent virtually any challenge to a presidential candidate's eligibility in court. It's up to the voters, the electoral college, and congress to enforce these requirements.
It is illegal to run for office using a name other than your legal name.I would like to see a reference to this law.
Constitutionally, he is not running for president, he is campaigning for electors. The court cannot take away his first amendment right to speak in favor of candidates for the office of Presidential Elector. That's one of the arguments McCain's lawyers make. A powerful one at that.
So the birth certificate having patriotic importance, is, in the long run, small potatoes compared to the “...who is he, really?” factor in this political contest.It could be that if his legal name is Soetoro he doesn't want it revealed because of the confusion in voters minds.Does this information make sense to you? Obama won’t bring out his BC because it isn’t in the same name he is using now.
Legally I don't think anyone can get this into court for the reasons I've mentioned before.
Politically there are some good arguments here but they have to be exploited that way. Not in the courts but as 527 ads and arguments from the candidates and surrogates. Attempting to get these arguments into court will just end in frustration and lost time.
My bottom line is that resources need to be allocated wisely. A lot of time has been spent trying to frame a legal solution to a political problem but a legal solution cannot be provided by the courts. Mr. Berg has used most of his 15 minutes of fame on his other legal endeavors without a lot of success. I wouldn't put much faith in him blowing Obama out of the election.
But it's late and I'm babbling now so it's off to bed. I'm sure I'll have sweet dreams of presidential electors dancing in my head. lol
Thanks.
I may have asked this question before but has anyone talked with hospital employees who were around when Barack was born?
Did Barack’s mom attending birthing classes and form friendships with other expecting mom. Surely one of them would remember Barack’ parents.
I may have asked this question before but has anyone talked with hospital employees who were around when Barack was born?
Did Barack’s mom attending birthing classes and form friendships with other expecting mom. Surely one of them would remember Barack’ parents.
I may have asked this question before but has anyone talked with hospital employees who were around when Barack was born?<<<
I thought that he was born at home?
I have not heard of anyone talking to the hospital employees, it would be an excellent idea.
http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaFamily.htm
FReeper Beckwith compiled The Obama File.
See The Birth Certificate Question.
Obama won’t release his birth certificate and he won’t release his passport. Obama also won’t release his SAT scores or his college transcripts, or his thesis, or his client list, or his Illinois senate records. What do YOU really know about this guy?<<<
True.
I did not find any place that said he was born in a hospital.
With all the mystery about him, I thought it was a home birth.
With all the mystery about him, I thought it was a home birth.
I don't know where to start...although FReeper Polarik is at this very moment preparing another detailed post on the forged Certificate of Live Birth from Hawaii - and I will ping you to it when it's posted - that forgery would appear to now be the least of our worries. For the past few days I have been following obama's connections to some very very unsavoury characters, here's a link to the loooong thread:
And a video link that I picked up today on the same subject:
Barack Obama & Khalid Al-Mansour.
But we aren't on our own on this, the Hillary supporters on texasdarlin blog are all over it and doing some very good detective work:
methinks the man shouldn't be running for anything - he should be on a terrorism watchlist...
The Saudi Connection
But al-Mansour’s sponsorship of Obama as a prospective Harvard law student is important for another reason beyond his Islamic and anti-American rhetoric and early Black Panther ties.
At the time Percy Sutton, a former lawyer for Malcolm X and a former business partner of al-Mansour, says he was raising money for Obama’s graduate school education, al-Mansour was representing top members of the Saudi Royal family seeking to do business and exert influence in the United States... <<<
At some point, I begin to say to myself, is he connected to Osama ben Laden?
He is definitely connected to people that I do not like.
Keep digging, the answer is out there.
Thank you for the link, an excellent thread.
One of the links there is for etext.org, that is an amazing site.
There are many posts there, that you will see released over and over as “News”, it is their storage/education site.
Dig into some of the old files there, even you will be surprised at all the communist brainwashing tools there.
This may be as big as the Rather Files!
THANKS!
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