Inconsistencies abound in FactCheck report on Obama "birth certificate"

Israeli Insider ^ | 8/24/08 | Reuven Koret

[HighlyOpinionated]

These people are pure amateurs at this. They make too many errors to be believable by any but the most gullible. I think there are plenty of Democrats blushing various shades of red over this.

WHEN Barry Dunham was adopted by Lolo Soetoro in Indonesia in 1965-66, his US Birth Certificate was SEALED. It's not available to anyone, including the adult child. If Barrack Sr did not "adopt" Barry Soetoro and change his name and Citizenship status, or if the Dunhams did not "adopt" Barry Soetoro and change his Citizenship status and perhaps allow him to change his name to 'Obama,' then the Indonesian Adoption is Legal and Valid. If Sr or the Dunhams did adopt Barry Soetoro, then where ever he was adopted would have a valid certified Birth Certificate with the ADOPTED information on all the necessary lines.

So if we assume that Barack Sr and the Dunhams DID NOT adopt him, Barry Soetoro would still be his legal name and his legal citizenship is Indonesian. If the Dunhams did adopt him, investigators are assuming his last name was changed to Obama. Why not request the birth certificate for Barry Dunham or Barry Soetoro in Honolulu? Why not request the "name change documentation" for Barry Soetoro to Barack H. Obama, Jr (or II)?

My first born grandson was adopted out and his original birth certificate on file at the State Vital Statistics only states his adopted name and his adopted parents' names and their home town as his place of birth. Except for the fact that I applied for and received his original birth certificate before the adoption took place, there is NO documentation, other than adoption papers, that he was born to my daughter. So, I know what I'm talking about.

Barry Soetoro needs to be challenged and perhaps someone in Indonesia can obtain the birth certificate from there. If so, then THAT IS THE VALID birth certificate as it would be sealed if he was adopted as Barry Soetoro by his birth father or his grandparents.

The smugness will soon be replaced with the truth.

[Kevmo]

Thanks for the ping.

So, Obama follows the typical democrat approach by showing the document to “In-The-Tank media pals”, and not the general public. This is about what we all expected from his trip to Hawaii.

The whole issue is going to rest on technical details, and Team Obama knows it. So they’ve already dispatched their ogres and Techdude no longer wants to pursue this due to the threats. Polarik is next.

I’ll be posting this article up onto the Intrade forum — 4200 reads so far, more than all the others on the first page combined.

[bvw]

With your knack for economics maybe you can answer an economic question for me?

When I hire a man for a job that involves my money and my business -- and it gives him free access to nearly all of my ledgers, finances and accounts, who strict should I be in vetting him for the job?

In this case I have an applicant who claims he presented a legitimate copy of his MBA degree, and his CPA certificate, but he only allowed his employment agent to see them, and only gave me a medium resolution jpeg file by email. I tried calling the college and the CPA accrediting agency to validate the certs but they both say that they can only reply to the certificate holder himself. And he says that for personal reasons he cannot do so, and that because his agent says all is kosher and has provided an amige file that sort of looks okay -- that's good enough.

What do you recommend?

[JessieHelmsJr]

Wheres Dan Rather when you need him? LOL

[bvw]

“who strict” => “how strict”

[bvw]

I’m thinking that a court order can break that seal of adoption secrecy, would you know if that is so?

[EagleUSA]

I don’t think the issue is his citizenship.

I think the issue that could get him is forging a Government document and then lying to the nation with it.
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The issue is one of Constituional law, and upholding it. If Obama is deliberately breaking THE LAW in order to run for President, it must be exposed and he must be removed from the race. This issue, is more important than any other single issue in the campaign. He as a presidential candidate, as ANY candidate should be, be held ACCOUNTABLE and must PROVE his eligibility to be President UNDER THE LAW.

After that, he should be prosecuted for attempted fraud, to the full extent of the law -— such that other criminals start to have some respect for the Constitution and our system of laws, that so many of them want to tear down....e.g. Obama, for one.

[seekthetruth]

Interesting post.

My understanding is that Obama and the DNC have not yet been served from Berg’s TRO lawsuit. I’m sure getting the papers served will be difficult to do and most likely not done until after the convention, if at all. The MSM will make sure that Obama and the DNC are protected from any bad news.

[Scutter]

I’m well aware of your posts, and of your penchant for starting flame wars. I am not going to lower myself to that level.

In fact, what I am going to do, and I would encourage you to do the same, is to go outside and enjoy the beautiful weather.

[pissant]

This article reads like the ravings of a fanatic

Yes, I always start flame wars.

[ncfool]

Now that Phil Berg has sued in Federal Court the records in Hawaii have to be produced by Obama or the court will order Hawaii’s Sec of state to release for discovery.

If there are adaption records I would assume they can be discovered too. So we will get to see what is hanging out there. It might take time.

The Fact Check people should also ask for signed releases from Obama and have a person go to Hawaii and personally pick up the same documents for release. If there is nothing to hide then Obama should immediately deal with this issue. His lack of transparancy indicates there is something going on.

On another note! This is a funny clip from you tube:

Everybody is screaming that the GOP is doig this when its William Jefferson Clinton who was in Africa himself on his missions who made the following statement on August 3, 2008. This is a clip from ABC news who did a 30 min piece on Clinton in Africa.

BILL CLINTON SAID WHILE TRAVELING IN AFRICA August 2008 - ABC News: (you tube link)

Bill Clinton: Barack Obama Is Qualified Constitutionally

“The Constitution sets qualifications for the president, and then the people decide who they think would be the better president”.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q1RIJJcZwk

[LiveFreeOrDie2001]

So, we’re not done with Hillary yet, are we...?!?

[pissant]

I think she’s done. This will not be resolved this week. But if Obama is booted next month, will it be Hill or Plugs that gets to run??

[ridesthemiles]

We will get our answers in federal court. Yes, from the law suit that was filed by a ‘truther’ and Clinton employee. Philip J Berg, the lawyer who filed the suit against Obama, ...”

I personally don’t care who Berg supports.
I don’t care if the lawsuit was filed by a little green man who dropped to earth in the middle of Area 51.
I want the truth about Nobama to come to light.
I think he was born in Kenya.
There is too much controversy swirling around this topic for just GOP and non-Nobama supporters to be interested.
I would think that any citizen of the USA would not want their constitution hi-jacked by a person who knew from the git-go that he was not then and is not now qualified to be President of the USA.
There are too many persons who are legal natural born citizens of the USA that can run for President for anyone to waste their time, money, and adoration for a fraud.

Nobama also stated on his Illinois bar application that he was NEVER known by any other name.
That lie is all too wasy for even the dumbest person in the USA to understand. Nobama knew what name was used when he was a student in Indonesia in school.
This conflict about the information Nobama tries to put out and then cover up has to come out into the light, and long before we vote in November.
Kudos to Berg for his courage.

[pissant]

Interesting, to say the least.

[Plinko]

Having lurked around here I can say for certain that this will be my first and last post, this site has a looooong history of deleting and banning anyone who disagrees in even the slightest way. Ironic for "FREE republic" no?

In any event:

Barack Obama has been alive for 47 years, he went to school in America from fifth grade until he graduated High School. After that he went to a California college for two years, then finished at Columbia University when he went on to work at two very big companies.

In 1988 he went to Harvard Law School and obtained a position as editor of the most prestigious journal of legal scholarship in the world. The next year he was elected president of the journal.

At the time it was a HUGE deal that many, MANY people had a problem with because he was the first black man to obtain this position.

Barack Obama graduated in 1991. At that point in his life he could be called "Dr. Obama" but never does. He goes on to work at one of the oldest law firms in the world.

I'll stop there, I hate to put so much effort into what will be deleted but I just want to say this: If ANY of that was a surprise, if ANY of you had to look ANY of that up, if you were just fact checking or looking for holes in my story or looking to see if I spelled something right: you are VERY much behind the curve on a lot of people who have spent a lot more time, energy, and money looking into it.

There are people who's JOB it is to look into these things. People who did FAR more than sit at their computer, read one insanely biased and nonsense story, and came to conclusions based on...well the thoughts in their head frankly.

Sherlock Holmes at no point solved a case by sitting in his lounger smoking opium. He got up, looked at things. He investigated. Then he smoked opium.

People have been looking into his past, trying to dig up dirt, and generally trying to bring him down INCLUDING one of the most powerful political organizations in the world and no one has found anything. But. BUT one lone blogger spends 10 seconds looking at some pictures he found in the internet and suddenly blows the whole thing wide open? We're one sassy talking cat away from a blockbuster movie starring Bruce Willis.

It just makes me sad that the political discourse in America has gotten so sad that we now sit around agreeing with each other about how someone is involved in a 47 year old plot to...I have no idea honestly. Instead of looking at each candidate and examining the holes in their plans you're saying "Well one guy MUST be worse cause...uhhh...he's on the wrong side?"

Instead of saying WHY one guy is the best guy you are trying to prove that the other guy doesn't have the RIGHT to run against him. Why?

Have you ever run into a fanboy? Someone who loved Nintendo/Microsoft/Sony so much they defended every action no matter what and claimed that their Wii/360/PS3 was the best full stop and everything made by the OTHER company was terrible simply by being? Aren't they annoying?

Yes. Yes they are.

Use common sense people. I have my reasons why I'm not voting for Obama but I'd LOVE to see someone else have something other than "He's black popular inexperienced Democrat

[bvw]

Registered today to post that tripe? A cowardly and slandering hit-and-run post? Good riddance. Obama needs better defenders than the likes of you.

[RaceBannon]

great link, missed it

[ncfool]

Plinko!

Opinions are like A-sholes everybody has one! Welcome to the rightside of the world. Bambi has been hiding his whole life. Tell me what he has done other then running!

American’s was a President we all can be proud of and one who is proud of America. That person is John McCain

[ncfool]

Plinko!

It was not the republican’s who found out this information. It was William Jefferson Clinton who was in Africa himself on his missions who made the following statement on August 3, 2008. This is a clip from ABC news who did a 30 min piece on Clinton in Africa.

BILL CLINTON SAID WHILE TRAVELING IN AFRICA August 2008 - ABC News: (you tube link)

Bill Clinton: Barack Obama Is Qualified Constitutionally

“The Constitution sets qualifications for the president, and then the people decide who they think would be the better president”.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q1RIJJcZwk