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Inconsistencies abound in FactCheck report on Obama "birth certificate"
Israeli Insider ^ | 8/24/08 | Reuven Koret

Posted on 08/24/2008 8:10:04 AM PDT by pissant

The Annenberg Political Factcheck website has published photographs and an analysis of what it says is the "original birth certificate" of Barack Hussein Obama II. While the physical document depicted in the photos resemble the document image previously scanned and published by the Daily Kos website and Obama's own "Fight the Smears" site in June, FactCheck's case for authenticity and its claims to objectivity are undermined by a litany of process flaws, conflicts of interest and factual inconsistencies that raise doubts about its motives and methods of those of the Obama campaign.

The Factcheck.org report, titled "Born in the USA," accompanied by an image of the Bruce Springsteen album cover, starts:

In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

FactCheck claims that its staffers have "seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate" begs the question and obscures the truth. In fact, the article later goes on to make clear that this is in fact not "the original birth certificate" but "a 'certification of birth,' also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns."

"The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department. We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response."

This would seem to suggest that Factcheck went through the process of requesting the birth certificate (after all, why else reproduce and link the request form?), but no -- it turns out that they had a special invitation to visit the birth certificate at its residence, as if they were visiting some long lost relatives or a reclusive celebrity:

"Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago."

For an organization that claims to be fastidious with the facts, the sentence is vague and overly cute. Who made the invitation to "spend some time with the certificate"? How exactly did it happen that they "got a chance"? Did FactCheck approach the Obama Campaign or did the Obama Campaign approach FactCheck? And what are the forensic analysis credentials of the FactCheck staff that allows them to conclude definitively that the birth certificate is real and original?

And when is "recently"? The controversy over the birth certificate has been raging for ten weeks. Was it coincidental that it would emerge right after Obama returned from his "vacation" in Hawaii? The claim of "recently" is thrown into further doubt by the revelation that embedded date information in the photographs indicates that the photos were taken nearly a half year ago.

Factcheck.org posted 9 photographs of what it claimed were different aspects of Obama's "Certificate of Live Birth", all in less than optimal and idiosyncratic lighting conditions. All of them were taken over a less than seven minute period on March 12, 2008 from 10:40:18 to 10:47:02 at night.

No wonder FactCheck sufficed left it a vague "spend some time" when the duration of the entire photography session took 6 minutes and 44 seconds. Talk about: "Wham, bam, thank you, Obama!" Does that sound like a serious and thorough examination to

FactCheck will need to explain these hard chronological facts, which can be verified from the published photos by anyone with an EXIF reading tool, publically available on the net and as part of graphics software.

If the embedded graphical information is correct, it means that FactCheck is lying about doing the photo session "recently" and may be lying about much more, since it would be implausible that "FactCheck" was even checking facts about the birth certificate in March 2008.

Factcheck may try to argue that the photographer "forgot" to set the correct time. But that would further illuminate the shoddy level of professionalism in disregarding the need for exact documentation of the date, a carelessness echoed in the introductory remarks of its article ("recently" is not a fact, especially when it is not clearly associated with the location of the photo shoot ? where the documents "reside" is hardly the same thing). If so, FactCheck would also need to show some other published photos published with the same camera that show an identical offset between the camera's time and the real time.

Exactly for such reasons -- the lack of professionalism, exactitude and transparency concerning the provenance of this paper and the circumstances of the photographic session -- the reasonable demand from the skeptics -- who were initially made suspicious by the fact that the purported certificate image was published first (initially in relatively low resolution and only later in high resolution) in the far-left partisan Daily Kos blog -- has always been that the paper certificate must be subjected to the scrutiny of objective media or document forensics specialists, and mainstream journalists who can ask the hard question not just about this document image or that document image but examine it for themselves and query Obama himself about the many lingering mysteries and evasions in this whole affair.

It is striking, too, that Newsweek reprints the FactCheck report under the organizational byline without the minimal scrutiny that one would expect from a serious news magazine. In effect it is an advertorial serving the interests of the Obama campaign, not an objective piece of journalist.

FactCheck itself, as a project primarily funded by the Annenberg Foundation, hardly fits the bill of being a disinterested party, especially given Obama's four year stint as founding chair of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, currently being investigated due to its massive withholding of papers which document the catestrophic failure of the project, including public funds wasted under Obama's leadership, and his relations in that project with former Weather Underground terrorist Bill Ayers.

Most curious, too, is the apparent lack of curiosity of FactCheck in pursuing the original "long-form" birth certificate that was supposedly used as the basis for the short form. After all, Barack Obama refers explicitly to possessing this document in "Dreams from My Father". Since FactCheck apparently has sufficiently close relations with the Obama teams to merit the exclusive privilege of being invited to "spend some time" (or at least 6 minutes and 44 seconds) with the reclusive short-form, one might think that if they were really interested in checking facts or examining original records they would doggedly pursue the paper source document -- the real thing from 47 years ago, not something cleaned and extracted from a database and thus subject to all kinds of potential revision and redaction.

Rather than asking the hard questions of Obama himself, or even the Obama campaign, or even requesting additional documents from the State of Hawaii in the public interest (they said they "tried" to ask about the long form but failed to get an answer), FactCheck falls back on the rather lame claim that the short form has "enough information to be acceptable to the State Department" and goes so far as to include a footnote linking to the State Department's Passport application requirements.

But isn't that bar set a bit too low for the man who wants to be President, especially as you can be a citizen without being natural born, especially when there are multiple reports coming from Kenya -- including several from Obama's own relatives -- that he was actually born in Kenya and came to Hawaii only days after birth, apparently at his mother's insistence that he would be recorded as being born in the USA? Apparently not too low for FactCheck. From their report it would appear that they are not interested or, perhaps more correctly, conflicted in their interests.

The photographs themselves of course superficially resemble what a real short-form certificate should look like, although it is impossible to ascertain from a series of jpg images. Remarkably, for an organization which purports to be dedicated to checking facts, no high resolution of the document's two sides was made so that professionals could compare that scan with the scan previously published in the Daily Kos. The Obama headquarters has no scanner? FactCheck has no scanner? Only a Canon Powershot 570 with an unset date? Or perhaps they were granted a mere six minutes and 44 seconds and had no time for a scan.

Comparing the high resolution Daily Kos scan (as opposed to the scan originally published) with the FactCheck photos, there are obvious and dramatic differences. The scan shows only the thinnest of fold marks at the top and none below, no seal and no signature block. Oddly, only the June 6, 2007 date stamp is visible. Only after extreme manipulations of the Daily Kos image did some graphic specialists managed to squeeze out the blurred and color enhance image of something that just might be a seal or a signature block. But even then, not in the correct size or expected location.

Those stark differences clearly validate the skepticism with which the scan was regarded by Israel Insider and others from the start. Why, then, did it take the campaign ten weeks to produce photos that show the missing seal, signature block and deep fold marks, so deep that they disrupt some letters and print of the seal? What changed between June 12 and August 21?

Then there is the issue of the redacted file number which for the last ten plus weeks has been blacked out . Here's the explanation that comes from the Obama campaign, according to FactCheck:

We asked the Obama campaign about the date stamp and the blacked-out certificate number. The certificate is stamped June 2007, because that's when Hawaii officials produced it for the campaign, which requested that document and "all the records we could get our hands on" according to spokesperson Shauna Daly. The campaign didn't release its copy until 2008, after speculation began to appear on the Internet questioning Obama's citizenship. The campaign then rushed to release the document, and the rush is responsible for the blacked-out certificate number. Says Shauna: "[We] couldn't get someone on the phone in Hawaii to tell us whether the number represented some secret information, and we erred on the side of blacking it out. Since then we've found out it's pretty irrelevant for the outside world."

That's odd. The "rush" to release the document? Who exactly was rushing them? The bloggers over at Daily Kos? Why was the Obama campaign in such a "rush" if there was no problem and no real pressure to produce. They couldn't wait another few hours or a day to talk to the Hawaii Health Department before rushing to print at the Daily Kos? And then, after the redacted document was up, they couldn't have replaced it with an unredacted image?

Only last week, the Honolulu Advertiser quoted Janice Okubo, Director of Communications in Hawaii's Department as Health, as saying that with the file number one could hack into the system. "Potentially, if you have that number, you could break into the system." Okubo seems on intent on defending the Obama campaign even if she admits that the image they presented as authentic lacked visible stamps and seals. "They responded and apparently it isn't good enough that he posted his birth certificate," Okubo said. "They say they want it because they claim he is not a citizen of the United States. It's pretty ridiculous."

So which is it? Is the file number irrelevant, as the campaign now claims, or is it a data that could be used to hack into the system, as Hawaii claims. If it is irrelevant, why is Janice Okubo providing excuses for the Obama campaign? If it is dangerous for data security, why is the Obama campaign ignoring that danger? And why does Okubo say it's "ridiculous" to be asking questions about the provenance of a vital record of a presidential candidate when the proffered proof clearly lacked the requisite stamps and signatures. Or did Obama's people and Okubo have a heart to heart between body surfing sessions at Waikiki?

Despite the points scored by the Obama campaign in gaining high level media coverage for a favorable puff piece, the FactCheck photospread -- revealing so much that the scan did not --unwittingly serves to validate the legitimacy of the probing questions and analyses that have been asked over the past two and a half months by Israel Insider and various bloggers, document examiners, and average citizens.

While the quality and consistency of the analyses of these amateur sleuths have been irregular, and have taken wrong turns on several occasions, shouldn't the burden of proof for documenting one's citizenship and producing the original vital records fall on the candidate and the legal authorities empowered for this purpose, not ordinary citizens disturbed by the lack of transparency of a presidential candidate and his arrogant unwillingness to produce documents expected of regular Americans?

The FactCheck report may have Obamatons humming "Born in the USA", but anyone serious about getting to the truth of Obama's constitutional qualifications will be disappointed by their casual and smug report. And they will expect more from a candidate who, like the protagonist in the opening lines of the Springsteen song, seems to "spend half [his] life just covering up."

The evidentiary and analytical shoddiness of the FactCheck report, both in terms of the dubious dating of the photos, the inexactitude in the circumstances of the shoot, apparent inconsistencies between the photos and the scan, and the failure to pursue the more significant, truly original, long form birth certificate, all point to the inadequacy of the proof presented to date to validate Obama's claim to being a "natural born" US citizen.

That question, it now seems, will need to be answered in federal court.


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To: RaceBannon

“That picture is obviously aligned correctly, and you went back several times to make your argument against USMCObra and you missed some very obvious signs it is correct in alignment and not reversed.”

No, I looked at in one time and answered the question I was asked.


301 posted on 09/07/2008 11:28:37 AM PDT by TheNewPundit
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To: TheNewPundit; Polarik
Wow, using the FactCheck CoLB to prove the FactCheck CoLB is real. Talk about circular logic.

Says Shauna: "[We] couldn't get someone on the phone in Hawaii to tell us whether the number represented some secret information, and we erred on the side of blacking it out. Since then we've found out it's pretty irrelevant for the outside world."

And now this :
Only last week, the Honolulu Advertiser quoted Janice Okubo, Director of Communications in Hawaii's Department as Health, as saying that with the file number one could hack into the system. "Potentially, if you have that number, you could break into the system."

O - K....

So which is it? Is the file number irrelevant, as the campaign now claims, or is it a data that could be used to hack into the system, as Hawaii claims. If it is irrelevant, why is Janice Okubo providing excuses for the Obama campaign? If it is dangerous for data security, why is the Obama campaign ignoring that danger? And why does Okubo say it's "ridiculous" to be asking questions about the provenance of a vital record of a presidential candidate when the proffered proof clearly lacked the requisite stamps and signatures.

So is the C.N. number a gateway for cyber-hackers to wreak havoc or is it "irrelevant". It has to be one or the other. Someone is obviously lying. These answers only serve to raise even more questions. What an absolute joke.

Even after all this time, the idiots can't get their stories straight.

302 posted on 09/07/2008 11:29:17 AM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: TheNewPundit; usmcobra; freema

A former Marine who was at least paying attention to detail would have seen their uniforms on correctly, and before you shot your mouth off about the picture being reversed, you might have looked for a few more clues as to whether anything else in the picture was reversed.

I have never marched in the color guard, but have seen them enough to glance at their uniforms and know they were on correctly.

Everything else in that picture should have fallen into place, and for at least 3 posts after you were called on your ‘reverse’ comment, you most definitely went back to re-examine that picture, and you missed all the clues each time until I told you.

1977-1981
7242
P.I.
2213


303 posted on 09/07/2008 11:29:52 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty; The Pendleton 8: We are not going down without a fight)
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To: TheNewPundit

no, you didn’t, you stated that the picture might have been reversed. That means you didn’t study the picture, got ccaught at it, guessed a lucky guess, and for at least 3 posts, you checked the picture and still missed the obvious clues as how to defend your ‘guess’ of being reversed.


304 posted on 09/07/2008 11:31:21 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty; The Pendleton 8: We are not going down without a fight)
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To: usmcobra

“Since I am in florida why don’t I what?
Prove your allegation against you?”

Yes, although I continue to see from your posts that proof of allegations means nothing to you.

“And yeah I am not afraid to question the patriotism of a man that steadfastly suggests Obama’s documents should not be examined in a court of law by expert witnesses because all the proof HE alone needs is on the internet.”

Actually, I have continually suggested that if you doubt it, go to Chicago and look. I never said it should not be examined by a court of law, but a court of law would need a reason to inspect it. Unfounded accusations are not a legal reason.


305 posted on 09/07/2008 11:32:00 AM PDT by TheNewPundit
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To: RaceBannon

“no, you didn’t, you stated that the picture might have been reversed. That means you didn’t study the picture, got ccaught at it, guessed a lucky guess, and for at least 3 posts, you checked the picture and still missed the obvious clues as how to defend your ‘guess’ of being reversed.”

You got one part right, I said it MIGHT have been reversed. And again, since I was only asked about one of the uniforms, I did not inspect the others. I looked at the picture for less than 10 seconds.


306 posted on 09/07/2008 11:34:13 AM PDT by TheNewPundit
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To: TheNewPundit; freema; usmcobra

10 SECONDS???

That’s an eternity, you absolutely should have spotted the other uniforms in that time.

The gold stripes are obvious, and for you to ‘guess’ it was reversed after studying it for 10 seconds, 5 seconds longer than I did, you should have seen it was aligned correctly.

Dude, you flunked this test big time...


307 posted on 09/07/2008 11:37:01 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty; The Pendleton 8: We are not going down without a fight)
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To: Cyropaedia

Your post actually proves the opposite. Why would he have a forged document from the state of Hawaii if the state of Hawaii were covering for him. The people covering for him couldn’t get him a real printout?


308 posted on 09/07/2008 11:37:52 AM PDT by TheNewPundit
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To: RaceBannon

“A former Marine who was at least paying attention to detail would have seen their uniforms on correctly, and before you shot your mouth off about the picture being reversed, you might have looked for a few more clues as to whether anything else in the picture was reversed.”

Not while watching a football game.

And you were a 2813. Would a poser be able to tell you the link between a 2813 and a 2822? You were a computer tech and I was a switch tech. Were they making you all take the same Basic Electronics class in the Stumps back in the 70s?


309 posted on 09/07/2008 11:40:29 AM PDT by TheNewPundit
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To: RaceBannon

“you absolutely should have spotted the other uniforms in that time.”

Had I been asked about their uniforms, I would have looked at them and inspected them. Keep making stupid statements, It keeps me entertained during commercials.

You get the same offer. Let me know when you are in Fort Lauderdale and I will show you all the proof you need. Put your money where your mouth is or shut it.


310 posted on 09/07/2008 11:42:56 AM PDT by TheNewPundit
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To: RaceBannon

Interesting signature by the way

Innocent until proven guilty

If only you actually believed what you say


311 posted on 09/07/2008 11:44:43 AM PDT by TheNewPundit
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To: RaceBannon; Cyropaedia; freema; usmcobra

ANYWAYS

Since you kids seem to have run out of questions about the Marine Corps, I am going to get some work done before the Cowboys game starts.

Anyone who wants to come to Fort Lauderdale, there is an open invitation. But since I do know that facts are irrelevant here, I don’t expect anyone to take me up on the offer.


312 posted on 09/07/2008 11:53:34 AM PDT by TheNewPundit
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To: TheNewPundit
A forged document wouldn't come from the Hawaiian DoH.

Who's right, the Obama campaign or the DoH Director of Communications? Someone is obviously lying regarding the ability of outside parties to exploit the C.N. for nefarious purposes.

The DoC never actually said that the C.N. of the CoLB was the one actually assigned to Obama's certificate. That's for starters. And it lacked certain signatures (or stamps) That issue was not actually resolved. In a nutshell, the DoC gave Obama the benefit of the doubt.

The real proof would be allowing journalists to obtain their own copies of the short form directly through the DoH. All Obama has to do is sign that release.

313 posted on 09/07/2008 11:59:56 AM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Cyropaedia

I thought I would check back since I’m done with the carpet and the game hasn’t started.

I know a forged doc wouldn’t come from DoH. I was simply stating that if Hawaii were covering for him, they would have printed him a fake that could not be detected as a forgery instead of lying about a forged certificate.

And factcheck verified the stamp and signature. But then again, you believe them to be in bed with Obama. Yes, the organization that was made famous for defending Dick Cheney is in bed with Obama and has lied about seeing the COLB.

If a journalist wants to see anything, he can go to Obama’s Chicago office. The real proof would be someone doing that and seeing a flaw with the actual document.


314 posted on 09/07/2008 12:51:10 PM PDT by TheNewPundit
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To: TheNewPundit

2813??

You are so blind, I never said I was a 2813

Your idiocy is astounding


315 posted on 09/07/2008 12:54:00 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty; The Pendleton 8: We are not going down without a fight)
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To: RaceBannon

Ah, 2213, I misread what you said. Well then, find a 2813 and ask him what I mean then.


316 posted on 09/07/2008 12:55:59 PM PDT by TheNewPundit
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To: TheNewPundit

Since I was involved in their legal defense/fundraising, and since I know what they were forced to plead to, yes, I totally believe what they say


317 posted on 09/07/2008 12:57:43 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty; The Pendleton 8: We are not going down without a fight)
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To: RaceBannon

By the way, I am the single smartest person in all of FR. I have proven this over and over. One mistake doesn’t change that.

And don’t get mad when I make that claim. I mean seriously, look at the competition in here. When you people get mad at me for disagreeing with you, you call me a Marine Poser. That is an astounding amount of idiocy.


318 posted on 09/07/2008 12:58:12 PM PDT by TheNewPundit
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To: RaceBannon

“Since I was involved in their legal defense/fundraising, and since I know what they were forced to plead to, yes, I totally believe what they say”

The point I was very clearly making was that you make accusations without merit. One who believes in innocence until proof of guilt would not do this.


319 posted on 09/07/2008 1:00:12 PM PDT by TheNewPundit
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To: TheNewPundit
Well, you are the only person on FR, so I guess that makes you the smartest, too.

Signed --
Your Alternate Personality Number 97

320 posted on 09/07/2008 1:00:38 PM PDT by bvw
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