[mrjesse]

You implied that all descendants of the same kind are still the same kind. Did I misread you?

But this brings up a point. How do you define a kind?

You might have missed out on what we're talking about. Creationists are always referring to "distinct created kinds" and every one else is always saying "Well what in the world are you talking about?" so I hacked up a brief description of how I understand (and believe) which you can read (it's still a rough draft) here

The general idea is that Distinct kinds (i.e. created kinds) started out, then each one diversified. For example, all the dogs, whether they are a huge great Dane or the pocket pouch (I call them pouch pooch) are all the same kind.

This classification system is not compatible with the tranditional ASBE (All Species By Evolution) tree and data cannot be converted directly from one to the other because the lines of logic run crosswise between the two systems. They have incompatible dogmatic core assumptions. (And yes, any classification system has dogmatic core assumptions of how things ought to be classified.)

Indeed, in my classification system, all descendants of a particular original distinct kind are all the same kind - but they well may be different species within that kind (but the word species in my classification system may not have exactly the same meaning as in the ASBE system) so to clarify, in my classification system, Donkeys, Horses, and Zebras are all the same kind, but are different species, or perhaps subspecies would be better.

I realize that this is a way of thinking entirely different then you're used to and that it is a classification system that is not designed to work with the ASBE system, but hopefully you'll be able to see where I'm coming from and what I'm trying to explain, anyway.

I have come to realize there are two kinds of evolution, having grown up on the farm - that kind which I have seen and that kind which I have not seen. From my limited vantage point, distinct original created kinds actually makes a lot more sense with that part of life around me that I have personally witnessed. I never saw our livestock give birth to an exact replica - but I'm tellin' ya they were all the same kind :-)

Does that help?

Thanks,

-Jesse

[js1138]

This classification system is not compatible with the traditional ASBE (All Species By Evolution) tree and data cannot be converted directly from one to the other because the lines of logic run crosswise between the two systems.

Perhaps you could provide an example of two distinct kinds that do not share a common ancestor, and provide your evidence and reasoning for your claim. What, How, for example, do you classify creatures that share features of your kinds?