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I haven't much time right now so this'll be short.

The real interesting thing is that the genetic record is accurate and it shows how small changes over time become big differences. There is less than a 2% difference between our DNA and a Chimpanzee’s.

Assuming of course the people doing the research are being honest. But I must remember that I've already seen all sorts of skulduggery things here even in my short existence on FR, you making and holding onto the absurd claim about the sun's gravity and light are displaced by 2.1 degrees, then we have Soliton and I think one other saying that lying is sometimes okay, probably when he can get away with it I'm guessing, and we have professors and scientists who take the issue personally and fight with a religious ferver for evolution, and we have tons of people who believe it by faith without knowing the facts, so I must realize that things may not be exactly as they are being taught.

We now accept that spontaneous generation doesn’t have much evidence to support it, even though TOE requires it for the creation of life.

A case in my above point! Even though spontaneous generation of life has zero proof for it (except that life exists) and lots of proof against it, it is still what is being taught! And is it being taught in the context of an idea which hasn't been proven even possible and doesn't have much supporting evidence, as you say? Go look - I'm betting whatever textbook you pick up for any grade or highschool and many college textbooks will say that it's how life began and present it as a nice tidy theory that is well known to be accepted and true. And thus my concern about being sold a bill of goods in order to support the cause of evolution is a valid concern!

Even now scientists are comparing DNA from the quagga, horse and zebra to see when the lines diverged. There is a very small genetic difference between those three species who clearly had a common ancestor, probably the quagga.

Yeah and by my classification system (which I explained before, perhaps to Coyoteman, which says there were created distinct kinds) those three species are all the same kind. Just look at them! All leather upholstery, four wheel drive, etc. They (at least the still living ones) still interbreed to form generally sterile offspring. Those are the same kind, and prove nothing beyond that.

My question to you is this. Do you have any evidence at all that small changes don’t over time add up to large differences? That should actually be easier to show than the reverse.

I think you're asking me to prove the negative! You're the one claiming that it did happen, so prove it - don't ask me to prove that it didn't happen! I wasn't there watching it for a billion years.

But since you asked, I do see things in nature that sure don't make sense to me to have happened by Evolution -- for example, the vulnerable placement of the jugulars. I mean the spinal cord and the lungs and the brain are all set inside bone armor plating. And the eye balls just peer out on most mammals anyway just enough and because they have to see out, but are set in deep sockets. And speaking of balls, there's something else that is in a must vulnerable place. Imagine primitive man, running through the forest, either in pursuite of another man or an animal, or perhaps running for his life, and a sharp stick catches him just so, and no more kids for him! Or a sharp stick could slash his neck. Then there is the bilateral symmetry theme of external and some features: If there are two, they are right and left.If there is one, it's in the middle. I see no reason why evolution wouldn't have created odd-numbered legged creatures. As a matter of fact, there's a lot that just doesn't make sense to me. Of course my faith doesn't demand that I believe ASBE either, so I can see why these things wouldn't bother you but they bother me. My faith says that God created the universe and that doesn't bother me because my faith says that God exists. So I know what it's like to have a faith. By the way, I do find my observation of the universe consistent with my faith. Anyway, I can understand why you would accept evolution, even though some of it doesn't quite make sense, since your faith requires it to be true.

Thanks,

-Jesse

Assuming of course the people doing the research are being honest.

They are.

you making and holding onto the absurd claim about the sun's gravity and light are displaced by 2.1 degrees,

That is simply proof that you don't believe it takes light 8.3 minutes to get to the earth and that you don't think the earth is rotating. If you want to believe those two things be my guest : )

Even though spontaneous generation of life has zero proof for it (except that life exists) and lots of proof against it, it is still what is being taught!

What you are forgetting is that it is also being freely disclosed that we don't understand how it happened. That is called truth in advertising. Science has a lot more questions than answers to just about everything. It does have one thing though, it is much more accurate than the Bible : ) those three species are all the same kind. Just look at them! All leather upholstery, four wheel drive, etc. They (at least the still living ones) still interbreed to form generally sterile offspring.

That simply puts them in the same Genus, that is one step removed from being the same species. The same with us and the Great Apes. So now you are claiming Genus rather than specie, see how your line blurs?

I think you're asking me to prove the negative! You're the one claiming that it did happen, so prove it - don't ask me to prove that it didn't happen! I wasn't there watching it for a billion years.

You have it backwards. Science is not about proof it is about falsification. Because it is based on inductive logic all that is necessary to disprove it is a counter example. If you can show that the offspring are identical to the parents, genetically, then you would disprove TOE. Simple : )

As a matter of fact, there's a lot that just doesn't make sense to me.

That is why I am here, to teach you if you are willing to learn : ) Testicles are external because to produce sperm properly temperature control is very important. The jugulars and windpipe are in a vulnerable positions because mobility is sometimes more important than protection. Most everything in nature seems to be a compromise.

By the way, I do find my observation of the universe consistent with my faith.

Do you observe the earth floating in a sea of water? That would be an observation consistent with your faith wouldn't it?