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"Combat" is More Than a Word
VetVoice.com ^ | Wed Jul 30, 2008 | Thurman Hart

Posted on 07/31/2008 4:30:10 AM PDT by Calpernia

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1 posted on 07/31/2008 4:32:02 AM PDT by Calpernia
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Never having served in combat...or in a theater of combat...I can't speak from personal experience but it seems that his claims,technically speaking,might be valid.Has he seen the same intensity of combat that a Marine or Army grunt might see or that a Navy or Air Force pilot might see? No.But,strictly speaking,I don't think this guy can be called a liar or an “armchair hero”.
2 posted on 07/31/2008 4:43:22 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Obama:"Ich bein ein beginner")
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To: Calpernia

I don’t believe a Combat Action Ribbon is a personal decoration in any event.


3 posted on 07/31/2008 4:43:53 AM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN 1969. St. Peregrine, patron saint of cancer patients, pray for us.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I believe Mr. Hart did clarify that in his editorial.


4 posted on 07/31/2008 4:45:17 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Calpernia

Well, although the writer makes some decent points, he calls the Swiftboat vets the “Swiftboat Lyers(sic).” So IMHO, he’s a dick.


5 posted on 07/31/2008 4:56:52 AM PDT by gate2wire
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That part did bother me too.


6 posted on 07/31/2008 4:58:03 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: ConorMacNessa
The Combat Action Ribbon is indeed a personal decoration.
It's on my DD214.
If you were with 3/5, you should have one too.
7 posted on 07/31/2008 5:02:23 AM PDT by ComputerGuy (HM2 USN 3/3 Marines RVN 66/67)
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To: Calpernia

Funny that he claims he wants to “stand up to protect those who have and are currently serving in combat.”
Then he calls HIGHLY decorated combat vets, POWs, and at least one MOH recipient “Lyers(sic).” Spit.


8 posted on 07/31/2008 5:05:35 AM PDT by gate2wire
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To: Calpernia
And--I don't think I'm breaking major news here--Navy personnel generally have a fairly low chance of engaging in direct combat.

My shipmates, who died being shot down in Vietnam, would give you a good argument. Schmuck.


9 posted on 07/31/2008 5:08:29 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: ComputerGuy

I have one.


10 posted on 07/31/2008 5:26:16 AM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN 1969. St. Peregrine, patron saint of cancer patients, pray for us.)
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To: ComputerGuy

Did you know a Corpsman named John Lesko?


11 posted on 07/31/2008 5:27:00 AM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN 1969. St. Peregrine, patron saint of cancer patients, pray for us.)
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I don't remember the name. What unit was he with ?
Several of my classmates went to 3/5. Most were KIA.
SF
12 posted on 07/31/2008 5:39:30 AM PDT by ComputerGuy (HM2 USN 3/3 Marines RVN 66/67)
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To: ComputerGuy

He was in 3rd Mardiv - I thought with 3rd Marines.


13 posted on 07/31/2008 5:41:56 AM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN 1969. St. Peregrine, patron saint of cancer patients, pray for us.)
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To: ConorMacNessa
He's not in the 3/3 database.
The name is beginning to sound familiar, though. Maybe it's just the power of suggestion. My CRS has degenerated into CRAFT.
14 posted on 07/31/2008 5:50:28 AM PDT by ComputerGuy (HM2 USN 3/3 Marines RVN 66/67)
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To: Calpernia

What this guy is saying in the article is true. CARs (Combat Action Ribbons) are supposed to be given out when you individually take enemy fire. I don’t know the story of the U.S.S. Bunker Hill in Desert Storm to know whether they took fire or not.

I actually have a CAR with a star from the Gulf and Beruit. However, what’s funny about that is that when I was in Somalia we took a lot of fire and sometimes returned fire but were not awarded CARs there. We were told that it was because we were on a humantarian mission. Go figure.

Anyways, my point is that I agree with him that the word war hero gets thrown around way too often nowadays. I say this because I have had the priviledge of meeting real war heros. I got the priviledge of hearing MSgt Pittman speak and nearly break down in tears while re-telling how he received the CMH in Viet Nam.

I would consider what John McCain did while being a POW qualifies as a genuine war hero. However, this guy does seem to be puffing up the ole record. He’s not unique though. All politicians puff up the ole record, be it war record or community organizer record. I think that the writer of this article is probably more concerned with having a Democrat elected to office than he is that some Republican is puffing up his war record.


15 posted on 07/31/2008 5:51:56 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Gay State Conservative

An ex-Navy friend and I (retired Air Force) have had a similar conversation (and disagreement) for decades. He served on an aircraft carrier off the coast of ‘Nam. I served in country (though not in combat). He believes he should be entitled to same level of respect as people who were on the ground (or in the air above) ‘Nam, and I disagree. I don’t disparage his service—however, I think there are distinct gradations in that service, from front-line combat (highest regard) to those who, for whatever reason, may never have left the CONUS (still entitled to respect, but in much less measure).


16 posted on 07/31/2008 5:55:03 AM PDT by Hootowl
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

This issue is escalating though because, since Mr. Hart has pointed out the ‘puffing up the war record issue’, the puffing Republican is taking steps to report bloggers to the FEC as campaign violators.

The puffing republican just held a press conference on it too.

So, I thought I would start tracking this here. Because if he gets anywhere with his puffing, it will affect a large amount of websites/bloggers.


17 posted on 07/31/2008 5:59:24 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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So what you are saying is that the Republican is trying to get people’s first amendment rights constrained? If that’s the case, then this guy can’t be trusted and should go down in flames. Sometimes its better to have an enemy (Democrat) than a psuedo friend (Country Club Republican) in office.


18 posted on 07/31/2008 6:05:53 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Calpernia
I have a box on a shelf where I keep some spare bits of cloth and metal that the Navy gave me for various things, but it's really not a big deal.

Red flag here, people.

19 posted on 07/31/2008 6:08:03 AM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Absolutely and bump.


20 posted on 07/31/2008 6:09:00 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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