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Gee... and all I said was that race in 1961 = white, negro, red, yellow on all official documents. I do remember the forms that governments and schools asked us to fill out and check off. What do people think the Civil Rights Movement was all about? Blacks did not like the word negro because ignorant people had bastardized it by using the N word to describe anyone in their race along with segregating them because they were Black.

On Obama's faked-out birth certificate * race * for his father was listed as African. Hawaian government would have said negro. African is an origin like Italian, Israelite, French, German, Swedish, Haitian, Finish, French Canadian.

In August 1961, any legal or government document would have listed Obama's father as a negro... period...

But quite frankly, none of the Boston birth certificates listed the race of the father or the mother. And Boston birth certificates are handwritten.

And, it's doubtful that Hawaii would have gone to the expense of embossing the state seal on a birth certificate in 1961. Boston uses a watermark.

I lived through the Civil Rights Era. The legal part of it started in 1963, AFTER Obama was born.

In 1961 people were still free to tell the records nurse anything they wished regarding race. Besides, this was Hawaii and the use of "black" would be meaningless.

We didn't standardize around the "black, non-Hispanic white, other, etc." business until the 70s in fact. That's also when the law changed to require someone other than the respondent fill out the "race" part.

And, it's doubtful that Hawaii would have gone to the expense of embossing the state seal on a birth certificate in 1961.

What is being talked about is not the real original birth certificate, or even a certified copy of it, it's a certification of live birth. Basically a dump from the state birth certificate database. It's addmissible in court as proof of birth, so it much be "certified" somehow. The embossed seal is the most common method for this, and not just for birth certificates. When I got transcripts from the university to supply to my current employer (and we're talking 20+ year old records (but that was 10 years ago), they were prints of microfilm, with an embossed seal to make them "official" copies. My father in law was a registered professional engineer, he had a device to emboss his seal on certified documents. My CRC handbook, a gift from him, from before my wife and I were married, has that seal on one of the pages. It's not that big a deal, especially for a state bureau of vital statistics or whatever Hawaii calls their place you go to get a copy of a birth certificate.