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To: David; WOSG
I think Nulley's #2341 is a pretty fair response to WOSG's comments which are really pretty excessive in tone.

FWIW, I don't think WOSG's tone is excessive. He (she?) is a passionate man, defending a passionately held belief.

It's not the language or tone I would take, but it is well within what I would regard as the limits of political discourse.

2,378 posted on 07/08/2008 9:35:50 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: null and void
We have had a lot of people on this thread ask sarcastically Why would she go to Kenya to give birth?

Barack Obama Sr. was a Muslim and it is a Muslim tradition to give birth in the parents' home which would have been in Kenya.

http://www.nagpuronline.com/people/rit_mslm.html

Rituals And Cerimonies

Muslim: The rites and ceremonies observed by Muslims chiefly consist of those as relating to pregnancy, birth, naming, sacrifice, initiation, betrothal, marriage, and death,

Pregnancy: In the seventh or ninth month of pregnancy a fertility rite may be performed as among the Hindus. The woman is dressed in new clothes, and her lap is filled with fruit and vegetables by her friends. In some localities a ceremony to propitiate the spirits of ancestors is performed.

Child-Birth: A woman goes to her parents home after the last pregnancy rite and stays there till her confinement is over. The rites performed by the midwife at birth resemble those of the Hindus. When the child is born the azam or summons to prayer is uttered aloud in its right ear, and the, takbir or Muslim creed in its left. The child is named on the sixth or seventh day. The proper name for the male child is often formed by combining the prefix abd or servant, ghulam or slave, or suffix baks or 'given by' to the numerous titles of God. e.g. Abd-ul-Aziz, Rahim, Razak, Ghulam-Hussain; Khuda-baks Hyder-baks, etc.

2,384 posted on 07/08/2008 10:04:43 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: null and void; David

“I think Nulley’s #2341 is a pretty fair response to WOSG’s comments which are really pretty excessive in tone.”
“FWIW, I don’t think WOSG’s tone is excessive”

I appreciate that you understand the passion; it is based solely in an interest in keeping these speculations within the bounds of truth and common sense, and I took exception to David’s characterization. I called a comment that accused me of ‘libel’ as ‘assinine’ since it was (knowingly?) distorting what I said completely.

I have been tough in tone at places, IMHO that fits the situation: If you see a child play with matches or walk over a fence into a high voltage area, you gotta use strong language to warn them off before someone gets hurt. I believe this line of speculation will end up being damaging to the reputation of those who make claims based on it. Maybe you havent noticed that the original (Israel Insider) article actually made false claims and statements, but others have, and it is ill-advised to castles on such shaky ground.

False speculations and accusations, like ‘the boy who cried wolf’, degrade the credibility of other claims made. Thus such false claims are highly advantageous to the Obama campaign as ‘proof’ of how crazy his critics are; they win when the water gets muddied by false claims. That is why ‘fight the smears’ will have little or nothing on the REAL Obama scandals, like Rezko or his communist links, but they’ll have plenty on this.

Compounding the error of ‘crying wolf’ is the error of attacking the character of people who are not candidates. They make you look not just foolish, but malicious to boot. I say it again: Think twice before making assertions claims or suppositions about Barack’s mother, her willingness to lie on forms, etc. without evidence that it even happened. Before you make accusations about Stanley Ann Dunham, consider if she was your own hippy liberal aunt. Would you make the same speculations?

Obama can get up in front of thousands and say
“And you know what? They are calling my dear departed mother a felon, a con artist. My mother who raised me and sacrificed for me, they dont know her. Folks, those are the enemies of Hope and Change we are dealing with. They will stop at nothing and will destroy everything to stop progress.”

I have been warning folks to quit doing thing that will make you look foolish and only help the Obama campaign. Before you speculate further, ask yourself which fits better: “I am genuinely curious and open to reason” versus “I really want this to be true, so I am going to simply ignore contrary evidence and rack up whatever positive evidence I can”.


2,422 posted on 07/08/2008 2:20:54 PM PDT by WOSG (http://no-bama.blogspot.com/ - NObama, stop the Hype and Chains candidate)
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