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“In laid back 1961 Hawai’i, it must have been much easier.”

Make up your mind. Are you admitting he was born in Hawaii after all? If not, your comment doesnt make sense. Passports are given by the Federal Govt, not local govt. It doesnt matter how laid back
barry’s first passport was probably gotten in Indonesia.
She probably had to dig around for his “Honolulu Hawaii” birth cert and take it to the US consulate, for Barry’s trip back to USA when he was 10.

“ID theft ridden environment it isn’t all that difficult.”

It isn’t difficult for you to be a pathological liar on the internet, but it sure would be wrong for me to accuse of lying without evidence.

Yet that is what you are doing to Barack Obama’s mother. You are saying she engaged in fraud.
In order for the “not born in Hawaii” theory to be true, Barack’s mother would have had to engage in acts of fraud so successful, his own son couldnt figure it out, and the authorities would have been fooled for decades by a phony birthplace claim. You have ZERO evidence to back up this irresponsible claim.

“In laid back 1961 Hawai’i, it must have been much easier.”

Make up your mind. Are you admitting he was born in Hawaii after all?

You can't possibly be that dense, you can't!

In 1961 Hawai'i, it must have been much easier to GET FALSE INACCURATE DOCUMENTS than it is now in ID theft prone post 9/11 America.

I'm beginning to seriously think you are playing stone dead stupid just to annoy me.

Passports are given by the Federal Govt, not local govt.

No kidding? Gosh I didn't know that. Let me match that with something you probably didn't know - the Federal Govt. uses STATE documents to establish the "facts" it uses to issue documents.

Let me walk you through this very slowly, as you have repeatedly demonstrated in great detail that reading comprehension is challenging for you.

Here is what I think happened:

I think BHO, Sr. and his new bride went to visit his parents in Kenya.

I think poor homely Stanley Ann intended to hop a plane back to Hawai'i to have Barry Jr born on US soil.

I know airlines would routinely refuse to let a near full term woman onto a long overseas flight for fear of emergency childbirth at altitude and far from the nearest landing strip. (Note that this was common practice IN THE 1960's and earlier)

I know that several relatives have reported that they were there when Barry Jr. was delivered in Kenya. (Note that a reasonable person would regard witness testimony as evidence).

I think Stanley Ann and Barry Jr were on the first flight they could get after he was born to take him back to Hawai'i.

I know infants (and children) could travel on their mother's passport IN 1961. (Note that despite your protestations that this is impossible, others on this very thread have come forward to say that they themselves did this very thing. Note also that NOW in a post 9/11 world it isn't possible)

I think that at that time babies-in-arms didn't even require their own ticket to fly.

I think Stanley Ann promptly attempted to establish the "little white lie" that the son she intended to deliver in Hawai'i was, in fact born in Hawai'i.

I know that the document posted on BHO's own web site has been called to question.

I know that State Department rules provide for missing birth certificates, I have given you not only the full text of the applicable rules, I have even provided the URL so you can see for yourself.

I know that with a certificate of no record and a DS-10A with the mother asserting a child was born in Podunk, Il, the State Department has sufficient documents to issue a passport. If the only two documents they have are a statement of no record of birth from Illinois, and a sworn statement from dear old mom that the kid was born in Podunk, Il, what do you suppose the State Department will put as his place of birth on his passport, hmmmmm?

I think that if Stanley Ann swore to a "little white lie" to get her son citizenship, she'd protect that "little white lie" by telling her son it was the truth.

I know Barry Jr. doesn't consciously remember being born, let alone where he was born. If he's been told all is life it was Honolulu, why should he doubt it? (Side bar - All my birth records and everything I've ever been told say I was born in one town, yet a few months ago I found that the Naval Hospital I was born in had its physical address across town limits in an adjacent town. The hospital's mailing address and physical address aren't the same. Have I been lying about my birthplace all these years? No. I reported the facts as I and my official records show them to be. )

I think Stanley Ann was ignorant of some of the finer points of law that we have been discussing on this thread and was afraid her little mulatto (there's a word nobody uses anymore!) baby born in a foreign country in an invalid due to bigamy marriage would be denied admission into the USofA.

I think Stanley Ann did all she could to insure the best she could for he little baby boy.

I think that included bending the truth of what happened to reflect what she had planned arraigning to happen. That is, delivering little Barry, Jr. back in Honolulu.

What I can't figure out is why you think it is unlikely, unreasonable, and impossible for Barry Sr. and his new bride to visit his parents before the child was born, rather that waiting until afterwards and having to schlep a baby and a ton of baby supplies all over creation.

Tell me what exactly is unreasonable about her wanting to meet the folks, and him wanting to show off the new little lady to his old friends and extended family?

Let's give the guy some props here! He could have just as easily dumped Stanley Ann. He did the honorable thing, he married her. He took her home to meet mom and dad.