Posted on 07/03/2008 4:35:19 PM PDT by SE Mom
That seems to be what Hillary is planning. Of course she has to have Soros blessing. They put McCain in there thinking he would wilt so fast it would be zip, nada, Hillary President.
I wonder how Sarah Palin fits into the scheme of things.
Didn’t you know airborne, we don’t talk issues anymore.
It’s a photo and soundbite reality show now.
Mitchell Langbert's Blog
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Benjamin then goes on to quote Supreme Court Justice Noah Haynes in United States v. Rhodes:
In United States v. Rhodes, Supreme Court Justice Noah Haynes Swayne (December 7, 1804 – June 8, 1884) addressed the issue as follows:
“All persons born in the Allegiance of the King are Natural- Born subjects, and all persons born in the Allegiance of the United States are Natural-Born Citizens. Birth and Allegiance go together. Such is the Rule of the Common Law, and it is the Common Law of this country…since as before the Revolution.”
Benjamin concludes:
"To be a Natural Born Citizen one has to be born in a State, or Condition of, Allegiance to the USA. A person with Dual Nationality due to having parents of differing Nationality, who both acknowledged the Birth, is not so born. Their Allegiance is, by definition, divided. Subsequent acquisition of Nationality produces the same problem."
Benjamin goes on to quote Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England:
"And this maxim of the law proceeded upon a general principle, that every man owes natural allegiance where he is born, and cannot owe two such allegiances, or serve two masters, at once.... To encourage also foreign commerce, it was enacted by statute 25 Edw. III. st. 2. that all children born abroad, provided both their parents were at the time of the birth in allegiance to the king, and the mother had passed the seas by her husband’s consent, might inherit as if born in England."
Benjamin also quote the US State Department:
"dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country"
He argues that:
"The whole point of Article II is that the President must have absolute and total Allegiance to the United States of America and no Foreign Ruler or Government, Church, or Political Entity...The purpose behind the exclusion of Naturalized Citizens is that the President must never even have had such an Allegiance in the past" [snip ends]
Thanks for bringing your comment to this thread.
There is quite a bit of information which we didn’t know before aside from Ann staying with a friend of her mom.
1- Her friends believed that a) her father would have made sure of a marriage, and b)Stanley Ann definitely woud not have married Barack Obama Sr. had she known of his 1957 tribal marriage to Kezia and his two young children;
2- Her parents initial reaction to Ann’s marriage and pregnancy was anger but we didn’t know Madelyn in particular foresaw the difficulties of the chasm of different cultures
3- Susan Blake was under the impression that Sr may not even have been on the island of Hawaii at the time of Jr’s birth, could he have been in Kenya?
4- The author of the piece I linked mentions the small house Sr rented near the University(the one on St Louis Heights) speculating Sr and Ann lived there together which brings into question once again the address given on the birth announcement which was way out in the boonies (I’ll stick with my story that grandma found a safe address from her work in the escrow dept and used it for the registration of birth)
5- We didn’t know that Ann’s visit lasted so long in the Mercer Island area but according to the link the first visit with Susan Blake was about the third week of August(where was Ann prior to then that she didn’t know how to change diapers?) and then two weeks later Maxine Box had about a one hour visit with Ann and baby Barack
6- we now know Ann enrolled in UW extension courses in August/61 and managed to successfully complete 4 extension courses for 20 credits(babies sleep longer at that age allowing her to spend more time studying) prior to attending classes in March/62 to June/62 where she only earned 10 credits (I don’t think that she would have been eligible for in state tuition if she was living in Hawaii and taking the courses, but someone else may know)
7- We know from former high school classmates that she was still in Seattle after the world’s fair had ended so she was in Seattle in Sept/62.
8- Her best friend from high school, Maxine Box, was attending UW the same time Ann was but was unaware of that fact. The only reason I can think of was the shame of her situation after gushing over Sr and ending up with him playing her for a fool.
So a plausible scenario could be young starry eyed Ann head over heels in love goes to Kenya with Sr and discovers he has a wife and two children. Planning to come back to Hawaii she is denied by the airlines and ends up giving birth in Kenya. Finally catching a flight back to the U.S. she gets her mom’s friend to pick her up in Vancouver, B.C. and intent on avoiding the cad Barack Sr she stays in Washington,finds a place to live and taking her courses, finally returning to Hawaii after she is damned sure Sr is well and truly gone. Her visits with Susan Blake and Maxine Box allows her to spin a story about her relationship with Sr as a saving face moment.
No problem
thanks for all that, I’m digesting...
http://www.christianfaithandreason.com/obama.html
That does not appear to be what the reference says. Instead: "Here's what the evidence suggests:
1. Barack Obama Senior and Stanley Ann Dunham lived together under the same roof as man and wife, for not more than a six month period, beginning September 1961 and ending February 1962. During some portion of this six month period, Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Obama Junior were in Seattle, Washington while Barack Obama Senior was in Honolulu, Hawaii.
2. Stanley Ann Dunham left Barack Obama Senior, in March, 1962, taking seven month old Barack Obama Junior with her. She moved from Honolulu, where Barack Obama Senior continued his studies at the University of Hawaii, to Seattle, Washington where she enrolled as a full time student at the University of Washington and lived with her son Barack Junior in student housing at the Laurelhurst dormitory, and later in her own apartment, on Capitol Hill. (6)
3. Stanley Ann Dunham returned to Hawaii from Seattle, Washington some time between September, 1962 and January, 1964, only after Barack Obama Senior left Honolulu for Harvard.
The key element to fixing the time of the Susan Blake visit in August of 1961 is that Stanley Ann had not yet learned to change diapers (in the youtube interview)--that puts the visit in early August 1961. Nothing above or elsewhere puts Stanley Ann in Seattle for longer than a day or so on that visit.
Actually reading through the link it is revealed that Susan Blake visited with Ann and the baby for an entire day when the diaper changing happened THEN Maxine Box visited with Ann where she was staying two weeks later in early September.
Yes sir.
Nice to know the date that "entire day" happened. My view of the record is first week of August, 1961. On the return from Kenya going to Hawaii.
I don't know what fixes the Maxine Box dating.
FROM THE PULLED THREAD:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2095499/post
saved your comment LegalEagle61:
There is urgency here and the Judge in denying the Motion will likely not let this drag on, it would be unethical in this case since the Presidency is at stake. Plus, when a judge grants motions for say continuance, they take into consideration what the other side needs to do to comply with the order—in this case, if you are an actual legal American citizen, proving it should not be that difficult. I have not seen the actual documents yet but I am going to check for them in my Lexis and west law accts and see what I can find. I am hoping this is going to be something that destroys Obama. Also as others have said, even Hillary would be better than Obama, hell MY DOG would be better at least he isn’t a marxist, commie pig!
94 posted on Thursday, October 02, 2008 1:44:02 PM by LegalEagle61
Please comment to this thread with your research, much appreciated, thanks.
What was the pulled thread about? Why does the comment show tomorrow afternoon’s date? Did the FR clock skip a day? Do we need to buy more tinfoil?
Look at this:
94 posted on Thursday, October 02, 2008 1:44:02 PM by LegalEagle61
It’s still today, October 1, 2008.
Odd. It’s there for me: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2095499/posts
dunno! happened so fast...about Phil Berg and lawsuit. Something was misinterpreted and Zot it went!
It is odd; wonder what happened. Your link works; Fred’s link doesn’t.
Your link has today’s date, and it’s the thread I’m following.
My link has an ‘s’ on the end...
Ok, here’s what must have happened...the headline was misleading and has now been corrected, so the article is back up.
Still doesn’t explain the date discrepancy; here’s the same comment: check out the date and time on #94.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2095499/posts?page=94#94
Post #94 is dated October 01, citizen.
Original title:
Berg: Court says Obama’s Motion to Dismiss is DENIED!
First edit:
Berg: Court says Obama’s Motion to Dismiss is DENIED! [not ordered, this is Plaintiff’s proposal]
Second edit:
Berg: Court says Obama’s Motion to Dismiss is DENIED! [No order]
It ain’t easy being a Mod...
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