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To: DugwayDuke; xzins
Vote Third Party - Elect Obama.
Vote Democrat - Elect Obama.

Different paths - Same President.

You act as though if the end is the same the means don't matter...as if intent is irrelevant. To a pragmatist like you that may very well be, but to principled men the difference is crucial.

Again, I don't buy the "if you don't vote for McCain you're voting for Obama." It's a lie used to scare people into voting for somebody they don't believe in.

96 posted on 06/08/2008 6:12:21 PM PDT by Frumanchu (Pragmatism in politics is self-defeating...[it is] the slow sacrifice of one's principles.)
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To: Frumanchu

“You act as though if the end is the same the means don’t matter...as if intent is irrelevant.”

Why is ‘intent’ relevent?

“To a pragmatist like you that may very well be, but to principled men the difference is crucial.”

Life is full of choices one would rather not have to make. Even a principled man must admit that.

“Again, I don’t buy the “if you don’t vote for McCain you’re voting for Obama.”

‘Buy’ what you like. It doesn’t change reality an iota.


102 posted on 06/09/2008 5:56:20 PM PDT by DugwayDuke (A true patriot will do anything to keep a Democrat out of the White House.)
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To: Frumanchu; DugwayDuke

One can approach the election as some kind of mathematical equation, and it certainly is true, in that case, that ANY vote for any candidate other than McCain injures McCain’s vote total, and, therefore, his chance to win. That is basic math and basic common sense.

However, if the issue is: I don’t want any liberal or socialist leaning candidate to win, then one can legitimately vote only for a non-liberal or non-socialist candidate. Any vote for anyone tainted by a liberal or socialist ideology is to increase the chance of a liberal/socialist win.

Many consider, for some good reasons, John McCain to have liberal tendencies. His voting record on many issue says so.

There is another consideration, imho, and that is to vote for a candidate who is part of party that is in sincere good faith trying continually to organize for greater impact. If one is voting for a candidate of a party that is only active during elections and somnolent at other times, then one is wasting one’s vote.


104 posted on 06/12/2008 5:12:53 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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