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To: DugwayDuke
What you have isn't realism...it's pragmatism (which is really just absence of clear principle).

My ballot is my voice. What you're saying is that my voice only actually registers if I cry out the name of the frontrunner I hate the least for fear of the one I hate the most. I take it then that you do not believe that third party candidates should even be allowed on the ballot since they're an "unrealistic choice?" After all, it would be better if all Americans chose only between the ones with a "realistic chance of winning" so that their ballots will actually have "value."

So very, very sad that you've bought into the lie these politicians have sold you.

61 posted on 05/29/2008 7:07:35 PM PDT by Frumanchu (Pragmatism in politics is self-defeating...[it is] the slow sacrifice of one's principles.)
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To: Frumanchu

“What you have isn’t realism...it’s pragmatism (which is really just absence of clear principle).”

It sounds as if you think being ‘pragmatic’ is a bad thing. Well, pragmatism does reject the dogmatic adherence to rigid principle and it does reject the unpractical ideal. But, let me ask you this: why would you want to follow ‘prinicples’ if those principles lead you to misfortune? Should you not seek other ‘principles’ that provide more beneficial results? Now, also, let me ask this: exactly what benefit do you get from voting third party? Do you have a say in who becomes president? Or, do you only get a nice fuzzy feeling that you are somehow a special person who values principle more than results?

“My ballot is my voice. What you’re saying is that my voice only actually registers if I cry out the name of the frontrunner I hate the least for fear of the one I hate the most.”

You seem to have placed a very high value on your ‘voice’. Do you really think that either party really cares about fringe third party believers? Elections are won or lost by those who can seize and control the center. That’s where the votes are.

“I take it then that you do not believe that third party candidates should even be allowed on the ballot since they’re an “unrealistic choice?” After all, it would be better if all Americans chose only between the ones with a “realistic chance of winning” so that their ballots will actually have “value.””

You really shouldn’t try to put words in other peoples mouths. I have no issue with third parties being on ballots. My issue is with those who actually think that voting third party accomplishes any thing useful. Look at it this way “Voting third party is like peeing in your pants while wearing a dark suit. It gives you a nice warm feeling but nobody notices.”

“So very, very sad that you’ve bought into the lie these politicians have sold you.”

Oh, my FreeperFriend, I’ve bought into nothing sold by any politician. I think the best of them are only slightly better than used car salesmen or shyster lawyers. Since I think none of them are particularly ‘principled’ or ‘trustworthy’ I totally reject the idea that voting for any of them is anything else but choosing between the ‘lesser of two evils’. All politicians are ‘evil’. You have absolutely no other choice but to choose between lesser shades of evil.

Which brings us to my original point. Which of the two policians that will be running will cause the least amount of difficulties should they be elected? Voting for who ever you think will cause that least amount of trouble is really the only way your ‘voice’ will be heard.


62 posted on 05/30/2008 5:13:59 PM PDT by DugwayDuke (A true patriot will do anything to keep a Democrat out of the White House.)
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