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To: ZULU
The Official Catholic Church position on this

You've obviously mistaken the prudential acts/statements of some in the episcopacy with the actual teaching of the Church but then you have no idea what the actual teaching of the Church is, do you?

2241 The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. Public authorities should see to it that the natural right is respected that places a guest under the protection of those who receive him.

Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants' duties toward their country of adoption. Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens.(emphasis added for your much needed edification)

37 posted on 05/20/2008 2:23:41 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: A.A. Cunningham
It seems to me that the official Church position, as you stated it, says “...subject to various judicial conditions...” and “Immigrants are obliged...to obey the laws...” of the country that receives them. That states my case perfectly. Thank you. While it was the local parish clergy that took it upon themselves to act so irresponsibly, I have yet to see any response from the Diocese regarding all the hysteria they caused.

I'm sure that the Church will be very relieved to know that the United States still welcomes immigrants and new citizens after the proper paperwork has been completed. However, the subject at hand are the people who chose to disregard our laws, by coming into our country illegally, steal other people's identity and use fraudulent Social Security Cards. This is only the beginning of the crimes committed against our country and our society. The Church, on the other hand, chooses to ignore all these obvious crimes and pretend everything is acceptable in the name of “charity”. This is not true charity. It is just compounding wrong upon wrong.

The Church has no right to make National Security decisions for our country nor do they have any right to obstruct justice when we try to enforce our laws. Is the Church going to accept responsibility for the deaths caused by the drugs being brought across the boarder by some of these illegals? Is the Church going to accept responsibility the next time a Boarder Patrol Agent is killed? I thought not. Then get out of the way.

41 posted on 05/20/2008 4:50:42 PM PDT by mmp813
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To: A.A. Cunningham
It seems to me that the official Church position, as you stated it, says “...subject to various judicial conditions...” and “Immigrants are obliged...to obey the laws...” of the country that receives them. That states my case perfectly. Thank you. While it was the local parish clergy that took it upon themselves to act so irresponsibly, I have yet to see any response from the Diocese regarding all the hysteria they caused.

I'm sure that the Church will be very relieved to know that the United States still welcomes immigrants and new citizens after the proper paperwork has been completed. However, the subject at hand are the people who chose to disregard our laws, by coming into our country illegally, steal other people's identity and use fraudulent Social Security Cards. This is only the beginning of the crimes committed against our country and our society. The Church, on the other hand, chooses to ignore all these obvious crimes and pretend everything is acceptable in the name of “charity”. This is not true charity. It is just compounding wrong upon wrong.

The Church has no right to make National Security decisions for our country nor do they have any right to obstruct justice when we try to enforce our laws. Is the Church going to accept responsibility for the deaths caused by the drugs being brought across the boarder by some of these illegals? Is the Church going to accept responsibility the next time a Boarder Patrol Agent is killed? I thought not. Then get out of the way.

42 posted on 05/20/2008 4:50:57 PM PDT by mmp813
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To: A.A. Cunningham
It seems to me that the official Church position, as you stated it, says “...subject to various judicial conditions...” and “Immigrants are obliged...to obey the laws...” of the country that receives them. That states my case perfectly. Thank you. While it was the local parish clergy that took it upon themselves to act so irresponsibly, I have yet to see any response from the Diocese regarding all the hysteria they caused.

I'm sure that the Church will be very relieved to know that the United States still welcomes immigrants and new citizens after the proper paperwork has been completed. However, the subject at hand are the people who chose to disregard our laws, by coming into our country illegally, steal other people's identity and use fraudulent Social Security Cards. This is only the beginning of the crimes committed against our country and our society. The Church, on the other hand, chooses to ignore all these obvious crimes and pretend everything is acceptable in the name of “charity”. This is not true charity. It is just compounding wrong upon wrong.

The Church has no right to make National Security decisions for our country nor do they have any right to obstruct justice when we try to enforce our laws. Is the Church going to accept responsibility for the deaths caused by the drugs being brought across the boarder by some of these illegals? Is the Church going to accept responsibility the next time a Boarder Patrol Agent is killed? I thought not. Then get out of the way.

43 posted on 05/20/2008 4:51:05 PM PDT by mmp813
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To: A.A. Cunningham

“The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin.”

Another good reason I’m not Catholic. I am not under any such obligation, nor is anyone else. This is typical contemporary religious pablum and one of the reasons the Muslims are expanding and Christians are not.


45 posted on 05/21/2008 9:45:14 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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