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Parents of Soldiers Killed in Action Seek $40B From Anti-War Shirt Seller
Artorius Castus Blog ^ | 01 May 08 | ASSociated Press

Posted on 05/01/2008 6:38:34 AM PDT by cardinal4

PHOENIX — A Tennessee couple who lost their son in Iraq want an Arizona merchant to pay more than $40 billion in damages to survivors of soldiers whose names are on the anti-war shirts he is selling online.

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TOPICS: Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: americahater; democrat; fallen; jackass; lawsuit; militaryfamilies; selfloathing; tshirt
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I could never hate myself or America the way some people do..
1 posted on 05/01/2008 6:38:34 AM PDT by cardinal4
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To: cardinal4

They’re gonna lose (and the probably should, if for only reason because of their greed: $40 billion? Come on, now.) The guy selling the t-shirts may be reprehensible, but pretty much every newspaper website in the country has a list (and often pictures) of every dead soldier and details of where they’re from and how they died, etc. It’s public information distributed by the DOD with no copyright. The parents argue this guy is using their son’s name for profit, but every newspaper in America is also selling their product for profit (and most are anti-war, too.)


2 posted on 05/01/2008 7:01:54 AM PDT by mngran2
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To: mngran2

you’re wrong. I can’t type at this time cause I want to stick my fist through my monitor....but I know that this t-shirt person and you are wrong.


3 posted on 05/01/2008 7:43:50 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: cardinal4

What exactly the cause of action? Do relatives own the property rights to the names of the dead?


4 posted on 05/01/2008 9:50:13 AM PDT by Ron Jeremy
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To: Dick Vomer

Right on!

this is for commercial gain...he has no right to use a persons name without lisence unless that person is considered a “public figure”.

This is a simple copywrite issue...”fair use” wont cover this guy...his motive is profit.


5 posted on 05/01/2008 9:51:01 AM PDT by Crim (Dont frak with the Zeitgeist....)
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To: Dick Vomer

Link to statute or court case indicating that he is, in fact, wrong? Because I’m pretty sure he’s right, and I don’t see what your knowning the t-shirt person has to do with it.


6 posted on 05/01/2008 9:51:38 AM PDT by Arguendo
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To: Ron Jeremy

Their estates OWN their names...try and use disney on a T shirt without purchasing a license and see long you last.


7 posted on 05/01/2008 9:52:35 AM PDT by Crim (Dont frak with the Zeitgeist....)
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To: Crim

So like, if I just posted “ANNA NICOLE SMITH” on FR, her estate could sue me?


8 posted on 05/01/2008 9:54:41 AM PDT by Ron Jeremy
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To: Ron Jeremy

BTW..I serious doubt they will get much money ..if any...but they can most likey get this guy to not use anynames he doesnt have express permition to use...


9 posted on 05/01/2008 9:54:56 AM PDT by Crim (Dont frak with the Zeitgeist....)
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To: Ron Jeremy

Uh..dont be obutse....try and sell hundreds of thousands of t-shirts and advertise all over the internet selling her name on a T-shirt...

You will get slapped silly.


10 posted on 05/01/2008 9:56:12 AM PDT by Crim (Dont frak with the Zeitgeist....)
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To: Ron Jeremy

Obtuse even...as in “at a wierd angle”..


11 posted on 05/01/2008 9:57:30 AM PDT by Crim (Dont frak with the Zeitgeist....)
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To: Crim
"but they can most likey get this guy to not use anynames he doesnt have express permition to use..."

Did the Vietnam war memorial get the rights to use the names of everyone on it?

Did the recent Clint Eastwood war movies get permission from relatives of those names used in the movie?

Did the recent John Adams series on HBO get permission from his decendants to do a series about him?

12 posted on 05/01/2008 9:57:31 AM PDT by Ron Jeremy
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To: Ron Jeremy

Or how about “Remember 9/11” memorials (even for-sale items like t-shirts) with the names of the dead on them?


13 posted on 05/01/2008 10:07:25 AM PDT by Arguendo
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To: Ron Jeremy

SHEESH...I give up...go read up on trademark law or call a lawyer and get back to me.


14 posted on 05/01/2008 10:08:34 AM PDT by Crim (Dont frak with the Zeitgeist....)
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To: Crim
SHEESH...I give up...go read up on trademark law or call a lawyer and get back to me.

I know all about it. None of these soldiers names was trademarked. Clearly, from my examples, it cant be the case that you can never use a dead persons name without the family's permission.

15 posted on 05/01/2008 10:12:53 AM PDT by Ron Jeremy
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To: cardinal4

Bump


16 posted on 05/01/2008 10:13:29 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Crim

His examples may not be comparable, but this would probably still get a pass on First Amendment grounds because of the largely political nature of the shirts.


17 posted on 05/01/2008 10:13:38 AM PDT by Arguendo
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To: Arguendo; Crim

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0423083soldier1.html

The concept of the deceased’s estate is the first mention in the lawsuit.

This is not about the money. These families have repeatedly asked Fraser to stop. And it has been made illegal in AZ, a misdemeanor, to use the names of soldiers in this manner...the law in response to many, many complaints from families.


18 posted on 05/01/2008 10:16:19 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Ron Jeremy; All
When can I use a person's name, likeness, voice or signature? The use issue of a person's name, likeness, voice or signature may infringe that person's “personality rights,” which vary according to state law, even if that person is deceased. If you intend to use a person's name, likeness, voice or signature for trade or commercial purposes, you should secure permission from the person or the person's estate or agents. If you are simply using the name or likeness of a person for academic, non-profit purposes, you do not need permission.

...also
Privacy and Publicity Rights

19 posted on 05/01/2008 10:16:33 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehrling

Thanks... interesting.


20 posted on 05/01/2008 10:18:27 AM PDT by Ron Jeremy
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