And the ID side starts with the personal attacks.
The ID side can not do science nor can they do debate. Can they do anything other than produce movies and books for profit?
NOT an attack, merely a statement of fact Tokenatheist.
If the debators would recognize they are debating philosophy and do so openly, it would all be a much healthier, more honest, and much more rational exercise. As it is, the claims on both sides that they speak for science or that science supports them, are utterly laughable.