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1 posted on 03/31/2008 9:34:24 AM PDT by GoldwaterInstitute
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To: GoldwaterInstitute

Want the simple solution? If your standards are better than the NCLB, simply petition Bush to use your standards instead of his. He will grant you the waiver and you can use your own standards.

As a product of Arizona public schools, I don’t think I was underserved (in 4 out of 5 schools) and the testing was done pretty frequently during a K-12 experience. (I remember because the tests were offered in Navajo as well as English and they would never let me take it in Navajo.)

There are undoubtedly some technical bureaucratic problems with NCLB for an already high producing state. But I’m very skeptical of the idea that somehow states are having to ‘dumb down’ anything to pass the tests from NCLB. Just like the entire ‘teach the test’ mantra from the teachers union mob is just a cop out since they weren’t teaching kids anything which COULD be tested.

Bad schools squeal like pigs when you demand testing but good schools would be looking for a chance to shine. The same would go for individual teachers and/or entire school systems.


2 posted on 03/31/2008 9:49:12 AM PDT by bpjam (Drill For Oil or Lose Your Job!! Vote Nov 3, 2008)
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To: GoldwaterInstitute
“... NCLB creates an entirely perverse incentive for states to lower their academic standards in order to meet a federal goal of 100 percent proficiency by 2014”

It seems the problem isn't with the NCLB but with a state educational system dumbing down rather than raising up which NCLB seeks. To find the culprit ladies, look in the mirror!!

3 posted on 03/31/2008 9:57:25 AM PDT by elpadre
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To: GoldwaterInstitute
The bipartisan support for the measure calling for Arizona to opt out of NCLB is no fluke. Arizonans of all stripes prefer to manage their own affairs, especially when the alternative is federal micromanagement.

I am friends and acquaintances with several teachers from a very diverse range of ages and political leanings. Every single one of them thinks that NCLB is a piece of garbage.

5 posted on 03/31/2008 10:11:25 AM PDT by jmc813 (You guys wanna go cheese?)
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To: GoldwaterInstitute

I would like to see the federal gov’t OUT of local schools. I hope more states opt for this.

I will attest that my son’s school definitely TEACHES to the MCAS. We do not pressure him at all about this test, but the principal gets really worked up about it.

The math questions are ridiculous, they appear to be written by an English major NOT a mathemetician.


8 posted on 03/31/2008 10:42:33 AM PDT by KEmom (Please send viable Republican candidates to Massachusetts!!)
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To: wintertime
While cutting the strings to the federal government is certain better, it is not enough.

Government schools need to be entirely shut down! Government schools, First Amendment Right, and freedom of conscience can NOT co-exist.

13 posted on 03/31/2008 12:49:43 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: GoldwaterInstitute; Gabz; SoftballMominVA; Amelia; abclily; aberaussie; albertp; AliVeritas; ...

Public Education Ping

This list is for intellectual discussion of articles and issues related to public education (including charter schools) from the preschool to university level. Items more appropriately placed on the “Naughty Teacher” list, “Another reason to Homeschool” list, or of a general public-school-bashing nature will not be pinged.

If you would like to be on or off this list, please ping Amelia, Gabz, or SoftballMominVa

18 posted on 03/31/2008 1:58:19 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: GoldwaterInstitute
Virginia has been batting this idea around for years. I wish the legislature would just pull the plug and get us out of NCLB

I wonder if the fact that Margaret Spellings lives in NoVa has anything to do with the reluctance? Her girls attend public schools in this area. (That fact was in the WaPo last year, so it's no secret I'm letting out of the bag)

19 posted on 03/31/2008 2:00:24 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: DaveLoneRanger; 2Jedismom; aberaussie; Aggie Mama; agrace; Antoninus; arbooz; bboop; bill1952; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. If you want on/off this list, please freepmail me. The main Homeschool Ping List by DaveLoneRanger handles the homeschool-specific articles. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list.

I'm pinging this because of some of the interesting information about NCLB presented in the article.

It's good to see schools take a stand and raise their standards.

21 posted on 03/31/2008 2:56:14 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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