Commentary: Doing away with the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) (Replacing With The Fair Tax)

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[Taxman]

The nattering nabobs of negativism that show up on these tax threads certainly don’t display much enthusiasm for this brave attempt to redefine the relationship our government has with the citizens, does it?

One suspects that they are somehow bought and paid for by the tax lobbyists in WDC, doesn’t one?

Fer shure, their agenda is pro-big government and anti-FReedom!

[Turret Gunner A20]

How is the tax collected?

Retail businesses collect the tax from the consumer, just as state sales tax systems already do in 45 states; the FairTax is simply an additional line on the current sales tax reporting form. Retailers simply collect the tax and send it to the state taxing authority. All businesses serving as collection agents receive a fee for collection, and the states also receive a collection fee. The tax revenues from the states are then sent to the U.S. Treasury. ............................................................

Frequesntly asked Questions about the Fair Tax

http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_faq

[Man50D]

Lots of people who have made major financial decisions based on the current system could be ruined over night through no fault of their own.

People are be ruined now by the income tax. They have been making financial decisions with a system consisting of multiple taxation. The price of all goods and services includes embedded taxes at each stage of production due to businesses passing on the cost of their corporate income taxes and associated compliance costs onto the consumer. It only gets worse since investments are taxed. The Fair Tax eliminates all these taxes by abolishing corporate income taxes and taxes on investments.

[xcamel]

Right out of the Alinsky playbook... Don’t defend your position, personally attack your opponent...

Most likely the number one reason the FT will never pass, because it attracts raging tax protesters like a bug-light out on the porch..

[NCBraveheart]

Repeal of the 16th Amendment is part of HR25 the Fair Tax Bill

[Turret Gunner A20]

Same old, same old. At least you trolls could try to get the facts straight. But, it's obviously so much easier to stay stipid and lie about things you know nothing about (and are too lazy to study up on).

How p[athetic.

You might at least coming up with a new lie once in a while -- you've gotten boring as hell.

[Filo]

Repeal of the 16th Amendment is part of HR25 the Fair Tax Bill

No, dissolution of the IRS regulations are part of the bill. The repeal of the 16th is a separate issue.

The implementation of the FT needs to be tied directly to the repeal or it will never fly.

Of course, the various other gaping flaws in the FT concept (re-taxing pre-taxed income, overburdening retirees and the like) will keep it from passage regardless.

[Daveinyork]

http://libertyunbound.com/archive/2003_04/welber-tax.html

[DivaDelMar]

From The Fair Tax Bill, HR 25:

"SEC. 301. PHASE-OUT OF ADMINISTRATION OF REPEALED FEDERAL TAXES.

(a) Appropriations- Appropriations for any expenses of the Internal Revenue Service including processing tax returns for years prior to the repeal of the taxes repealed by title I of this Act, revenue accounting, management, transfer of payroll and wage data to the Social Security Administration for years after fiscal year 2011 shall not be authorized.

(b) Records- Federal records related to the administration of taxes repealed by title I of this Act shall be destroyed by the end of fiscal year 2011, except that any records necessary to calculate Social Security benefits shall be retained by the Social Security Administration and any records necessary to support ongoing litigation with respect to taxes owed or refunds due shall be retained until final disposition of such litigation."

So, the IRS is defunded and the records are destroyed. How will an income tax spring back to life without considerable effort from the Congress? What do you think will happen to any Congress critter who suggests such a thing? Are we impotent? Did we not stop the shamnesty bill? Why do you think the American public will tolerate an income tax after they've tasted the freedom of the Fair Tax?

[PubliusMM]

The FT legislation cannot repeal the 16th Amendment. It does defund collection activity.

The 16th merely authorizes an income tax. It doesn’t require one.

Repeal will require the same action as any other amendment.

[longtermmemmory]

IOW the 16th amendment stays.

sorry no cigar+30% tax.

[PubliusMM]

It makes sense to repeal the 16th, if for no other reason than telling future generations of its sinister implementation, and its abuses by elected slimeballs.

However, repeal will require a separate legislative effort. It can’t be done by simply enacting the FT legislation. Repeal will require another Amendment, adopted in the process of amending the Constitution.

However, by defunding collection efforts, and abolishing the IRS, the mechanism to re-enable an income tax could not happen overnight. And, just as we did with the shamnesty proposals last year, we can shut down any attempt to add another income tax.

Sorry, but this one rings hollow. We are ultimately responsible for our own political landscape...

Lock and Load.

[Bigun]

They really shouldn’t let people with screws lose to post on FR

I agree! When are you leaving?

[Bigun]

Someone once said "It is difficult to free fools from chains that they revere."

He was right as rain!

[xcamel]

The chains of irrational rage seem to be the hardest to break..

[Bigun]

Tell us what is irrational about hating slavery?