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GOP: The Race versus the Base (Pro-Hunter)
A Good Choice ^ | 1/16/08 | Greg Jaye

Posted on 01/16/2008 7:59:05 PM PST by pissant

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To: counterpunch
I am running to be a Duncan Hunter delegate from WV, and if he is successful and we 18 get to go to the national convention, there is absolutely NO WAY any of us would throw our support to Huckabee even if instructed to do so (which also won't happen).

Also, I enjoyed the little chart that shows Hillary Clinton and Obama and actually almost all the Democrats on the "right" side of the spectrum and almost all the Republicans as toward "authoritarian".

101 posted on 01/17/2008 5:28:27 AM PST by wildandcrazyrussian
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To: upsdriver; Democrat_media

Democrat_media doesn’t seem to understand that “free enterprise” and “capitalism” aren’t the same thing. He is representing cartels “free enterprise”.

What you described, upsdriver, with the HISTORY of UPS is “free enterprise”.

Free enterprise allows individuals doing business to do so without unnecessary state-imposed constraints.

Cartels are a brand of capitalism that relies on the power of the state to create monopolies or to crush competition in order to control a market.

Duncan Hunter’s fair trade will de-regulating a cartel-based economy. Cartels are dominated by private groups like the World Trade Organization which he has already come out and against with his WTO-compliant bill, HR 782.


102 posted on 01/17/2008 5:32:19 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Guenevere

I’m not running down your candidate, I’m just saying look, be warned — this is what’s going to happen.
We all know Duncan Hunter isn’t going to be the nominee. So do you honestly believe he won’t throw his support to the one guy in the race who can win and is supporting the Fair Tax legislation that Hunter himself sponsored?
You honestly think he’s not going to support Huckabee?
You think Hunter is going to balk at the opportunity of having someone touting his legislation during the general election campaign, building support for it across the country, and then signing it into law if he gets it passed?

Gut check time — not to mention reality check time!
This is the stuff political alliances are built on.

It’s too bad Hunter supporters are so knee-jerk reactionary and vitriolic that they all spew venom at anyone who points out what should be more obvious to them.

I’m just trying to give you guys a heads-up on what’s going to go down.


103 posted on 01/17/2008 5:36:21 AM PST by counterpunch (GOP Convention '08 — Go For Brokered!)
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To: counterpunch

Then put up the $500.00. You insist ‘we all know’. I say no.


104 posted on 01/17/2008 5:43:21 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: wildandcrazyrussian

Remember, that chart spans the entire spectrum of politics that has so far been imposed upon the world.
So yeah, the Democrats still do embrace capitalism fundamentally, they just want to impose all sorts of government control and regulation over the free market. They aren’t calling for the confiscation of all private property just yet...

And all of the candidates just about are also on the “authoritarian” side, because for the most part they are all for law and order. They are not for legalizing drugs and prostitution, releasing inmates from the prisons, sanctioning same-sex marriage and polygamy, disarming or disbanding the police, etc. Remember, this chart has to account for the furthest extremes, and most US politicians are pretty tame compared to some of what’s out there.

Mainstream politics in America occupies a very small space. Politicians on both sides argue over degrees and shades of the same positions in the grand scheme of things. America is absolutely a center-right nation, and one that values law and order. Both sides of the aisle. Often we exaggerate the differences between the parties and even candidates within our own party, but when comparing them to the political extremes the world has seen throughout its history, they’re for the most part remarkably similar to each other.


105 posted on 01/17/2008 5:51:18 AM PST by counterpunch (GOP Convention '08 — Go For Brokered!)
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To: pissant
I hope and pray that someone like a Representative Duncan Hunter rises from the ruins of the increasingly unprincipled GOP and gives me someone for whom I can cast a vote.

As do many of us, FRiend. As do many of us.

106 posted on 01/17/2008 5:51:31 AM PST by OB1kNOb (Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is THE true conservative candidate.)
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To: Calpernia

Wait a minute. Hold the phone!
Did I understand you correctly just now that you think Duncan Hunter is going to be the GOP nominee?? Or that he even has a realistic chance?


107 posted on 01/17/2008 5:54:13 AM PST by counterpunch (GOP Convention '08 — Go For Brokered!)
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To: counterpunch

The bet I have on the table with you is here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1954971/posts?page=28#28


108 posted on 01/17/2008 6:16:20 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Calpernia

Yes, how very elementary school of you.
I’m just letting you all know how it’s going to be.
I don’t need validation. You’ve been warned.


109 posted on 01/17/2008 6:22:32 AM PST by counterpunch (GOP Convention '08 — Go For Brokered!)
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To: counterpunch; pissant

Democrats only support “capitalism” because they know it’s the only way they can get enough tax money for their pet socialistic projects.

And, the capitalists are busy trying to set up the corporate state to give them a competitive advantage over their rivals.

It’s a classic case of the captured regulator scenario. They’re scratching each other’s backs.

As for Hunter eventually supporting the Huckster - no way, no how. Hunter’s top issue is illegal immigration, and the Huckster is a long-time amnesty and pro-illegal supporter. Hunter will not be fooled on that issue.


110 posted on 01/17/2008 6:25:43 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: counterpunch

And apparently, my belief in Duncan Hunter’s integrity is much stronger and real than your belief in your Made in China coloring page.


111 posted on 01/17/2008 6:28:59 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: pissant
DARK HORSE! DARK HORSE! DARK HORSE! DARK HORSE! DARK HORSE! DARK HORSE! DARK HORSE! DARK HORSE! DARK HORSE! DARK HORSE! DARK HORSE! DARK HORSE!

Notice that Dark Horse and Duncan Hunter are BOTH D.H.

112 posted on 01/17/2008 6:37:05 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Christian Discernment and The Lord Tell Me that President Huckabee Will Be A Disaster For Our Nation)
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To: cinives

So you think Hunter is going to abandon his own Fair Tax plan he sponsored and support any of the candidates other than Huckabee, all of whom are opposed to the Fair Tax?


113 posted on 01/17/2008 6:37:19 AM PST by counterpunch (GOP Convention '08 — Go For Brokered!)
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To: counterpunch

Why would he abandon it ? Its just not seemingly his highest priority.

He’ll have to abandon it as a sponsor in any case because he’s not running for re-election to the House. His son is, and I expect the son will have similar positions to his father if he gets elected.

If by some unforeseen event Hunter actually gets the nomination, which I will work to try to make happen in my state, then I’m sure he’ll push for and sign the Fair Tax legislation that comes across his desk as President.


114 posted on 01/17/2008 6:48:03 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: cinives

It’s a high enough priority that he sponsored legislation for it.
It is one of his top priorities.
The only priorities that might be higher is the border fence, and perhaps outlawing abortion.

Hunter is leaving Congress, and *uckabee may very well be the last chance for the Fair Tax. Hunter will take advantage of the opportunity. It’s his best chance of getting one of his central issues passed.

Just step back for a second and consider what is at stake for Hunter here.
Then you will understand why he will ultimately throw his support to *uckabee.
The No Amnesty pledge *uckabee signed will be enough to satisfy Hunter so he can endorse *uckabee without feeling like he has sold out his principles.


115 posted on 01/17/2008 6:57:58 AM PST by counterpunch (GOP Convention '08 — Go For Brokered!)
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To: counterpunch

Hunter is not a lightweight and sees thru the Huckster’s empty flip-flopping promises. Huckabee was a tax-raiser and illegals supporter as governor and just because he now SAYS something 180deg different doesn’t mean he will follow thru. Anybody who thinks so is very shallow.

In fact, if Huckabee’s campaign record is anything to go by, he will blame his inability to secure the border or get the fair tax passed on everybody but himself. I have yet to hear Huckabee take responsibility for any action, and I have heard him take credit for things that were not his to claim.

Your continued premise is that taxes trump border enforcement. I say you are wrong.


116 posted on 01/17/2008 7:03:56 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: cinives

No, not that taxes trump border enforcement, but rather advancing some of his key issues trumps advancing none of them. I don’t think that Hunter believes the eventual nominee will be any better than *uckabee, and I think he is very aware of this.

So Hunter will support whomever is most likely to work towards getting done at least some of his other priorities, and that points clearly to *uckabee.


117 posted on 01/17/2008 7:11:11 AM PST by counterpunch (GOP Convention '08 — Go For Brokered!)
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To: Just A Nobody
This trade protectionist assertion is absurd! These clowns make it as though it's a bad thing to act in the best interest of America. When millions and millions of manufacturing jobs are going off shore, damn straight it's time to protect American workers. If not, two generations from now, there won't be any skilled artisans left to maintain the Arsenal of Democracy that Duncan Hunter speaks of. Damn straight it's time to call for fair trade. Free trade is a great thing for capitalism, but free trade inherently entails fair trade. Right now, we have neither.
118 posted on 01/17/2008 7:12:33 AM PST by dit_xi (Duncan Hunter: No nose holding necessary come election day. Right on every issue, right every time)
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To: Man50D

I saw an essay about this yesterday. I’ll try to find it.

It was about the GOP’s 3-legged stool: fiscal, national security, and social, and Dick Armey’s initiative one year ago, to attempt to push Giuliani, with the hope that the 2-legged stool could stand on its own.

Ha!

Look at the 2-legged stool’s collapse!


119 posted on 01/17/2008 7:20:07 AM PST by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: unspun

No, Uckabee’s been schmoozing with McCain-obviously hoping for VP with the GOP elite’s pick.


120 posted on 01/17/2008 7:22:25 AM PST by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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