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Why Does the GOP Want a Nanny State
Thoughts | 01Jan08 | Matt Johnson

Posted on 01/01/2008 10:24:08 AM PST by Mensius

After looking at the polling and acknowledging that Fred Thompson has not 'caught fire', I've come to the conclusion that the GOP does not want a limited government candidate. To me this spells trouble ahead for this nation as our founders envisioned it.

The poll defined front runners espouse fixing the healthcare system. Romneycare or Huckabooboo bandages really don't do it for me. I want to buy what I need and only that. I do not want to be fined for not having the right plan. I have catastrophic health insurance, pay cash for normal maladies. Is this ok or should I call my friendly politicians in Washington D.C. and find out what they think? Or the bearcats, will I have to submit my health insurance plan along with my house evacuation plan and fire extinguisher placement as an annual package?

I sit at home or drive in my car and listen to politicians tell me how they are going to fix things, fix my life and all I can think of is 'Leave me alone'. Well, that and hiding my wallet.

McCain is my worst nightmare. That man has lied to his constituents and the American people so much and so often that he cannot even remember if he was for or against amnesty. Friendly reminder John, you were. In fact you tried to ram it down our throats with your good buddy Ted Kennedy. Tax cuts John? That's right, you were against them before you were for them. John McCain thinks he can 'rule by fiat'. That he can drag this country anywhere he chooses and be judged by his intentions. He can't, or at least shouldn't. The road to Hanoi was paved with good intentions John.

I see many people remember and despise McCain for his lies but have no problem with Romney's lies. What lies are acceptable? "I have been a hunter all my life". That's cool cuz he was just placating the gun nuts. "I saw my father march with MLK"? Well, his father was active in supporting the Civil Rights Movement. I'd mention what I think are clearly lies regarding policy but I don't think it matters. I think lying is a character flaw. Why would a man who wants to assume the mantle of President of the United States be so insecure as to lie. We should not look past small lies that don't matter because behind those are lies that do matter. Don't kid yourself folks, a republican from Massachusetts is still a liberal. You can't get elected otherwise.

Huckabee is a foreign policy dunce. He is a nanny-stater, maybe more so than Romney, but at least you can have your guns. Just not your wallets.

Ron Paul makes sense when he talks constitutionality. I wish that message would get through. He makes no sense when talking foreign policy. He takes us back to 1940 when Churchill was begging Roosevelt for assistance and most Americans wanted to stay out of it. Didn't work then and won't work now. In fact it would be catastrophic (can't buy insurance for that).

I like Duncan Hunter a lot. I prefer Fred Thompson's views on federalism and spending. I don't like Fred's position on Campaign Finance Reform though he has repented. Fred Thompson and Duncan Hunter are the two men who are not nanny-staters, they are conservative through and through. Fred is who I support.

I know, he doesn't want it enough. But that is wrong, he's sacrificed a lot to do what he's doing. Much more than I would. The contrast is that he is not willing to 'do anything and say anything' to become president. I like that, a lot. I don't want to rely on government, only myself. I don't want to pay for able bodied Americans who rely on government. I want a stable economic environment where fees and taxes are low so I can compete and prosper and chase the American Dream.

A nanny-stater republican can't provide that dream, only nightmares. Just look at Europe.


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: duncanhunter; elections; fred; fredthompson; gop; huckabee; hunter; nannystate; romney
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To: Mensius

If the MSM did not fear Duncan Hunter, he would get more press. Thompson gets it, but with a dismissive layer and often mildly scornful; both men are way too conservative for their purpose. True conservatives decisively detest the liberal BigMedia creation of McRomnianibee, so reppublicans in general are in disarray and gridlock. I think the GOP is divided beyong repair and it is time for a Third Party to rise from the ashes. Why not, why not a revolt starting this first day of 2008?


21 posted on 01/01/2008 11:06:19 AM PST by luvadavi (Duncan Hunter in 08--a choice not a RINO!)
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To: Mensius
You are an X-er.

Jonsers are the term we apply to the generation that the boomers try to incorporate to themselves. (1954 to 1964)

We loathe the boomer "me" generation. We are the voices of a lost generation drowned out by the crazed selfish footprints of the hippie years.

We are finding our voice now as we see the damage that will be heaped upon our own children by the boomers. We make up a huge part of the activist portion of FR and the Gathering of Eagles. We are joined in spirit by many of the older generations (parents of the bommers)...people from a much saner time.

22 posted on 01/01/2008 11:08:19 AM PST by Earthdweller (The liberal MSM...Buddies of Romney F Kerry and the socialist march to China)
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To: luvadavi
If the MSM did not fear Duncan Hunter, he would get more press. Thompson gets it, but with a dismissive layer and often mildly scornful; both men are way too conservative for their purpose. True conservatives decisively detest the liberal BigMedia creation of McRomnianibee, so reppublicans in general are in disarray and gridlock. I think the GOP is divided beyong repair and it is time for a Third Party to rise from the ashes. Why not, why not a revolt starting this first day of 2008?

The media pushes Fred because he isn't going to fight. He talks but that's it. He's as lazy when it comes down to a fight as Duke the Clampetts Hound on the Beverly Hillbillies.

23 posted on 01/01/2008 11:08:36 AM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: glmjr

“In my heart I know that I will never vote for anything other than a true conservative. I would rather the democrats win.”

You have a good point there. If the democrats win it will be pure hell, but the misery will rally the country to elect a true conservative in 2012 or 2016 at the latest. If a RINO like Romney or McCain wins it will be like limbo, not quite hot enough to fire up the base, and we will drift downwards on a slow ride to certain death.

The best scenario would be to elect Fred in 08.


24 posted on 01/01/2008 11:11:12 AM PST by reasonisfaith (Fred Thompson is the only candidate who appeals to instinct.)
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To: luvadavi

Just wait at least until South Carolina.


25 posted on 01/01/2008 11:12:32 AM PST by reasonisfaith (Fred Thompson is the only candidate who appeals to instinct.)
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To: Earthdweller
We are finding our voice now as we see the damage that will be heaped upon our own children by the boomers. We make up a huge part of the activist portion of FR and the Gathering of Eagles. We are joined in spirit by many of the older generations (parents of the bommers)...people from a much saner time.

With an explanation like that, I am proud to be an Xer.

26 posted on 01/01/2008 11:14:56 AM PST by Mensius
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To: cva66snipe
"Keeping up with the Jones. The Jones support RINO so to be like them many do likewise. Jones buys a Buick so do they. Jones being a neighbor."

A Joneser is a person who was too young to take an acid trip and only got secondhand smoke “hits” off the hippies. :)~

27 posted on 01/01/2008 11:15:13 AM PST by Earthdweller (The liberal MSM...Buddies of Romney F Kerry and the socialist march to China)
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To: cva66snipe
“The media pushes Fred because he isn’t going to fight. He talks but that’s it. He’s as lazy when it comes down to a fight as Duke the Clampetts Hound on the Beverly Hillbillies.”

Fred is the ONLY candidate that I have seen fighting anything. Beginning with Micheal Moore, and refusing to raise his hand at the request of a demoskank while the rest of the candidates stood there with a stupid “deer in the headlights” look on their mugs, or even worse-started to raise their hands in obedience. Get Real.

28 posted on 01/01/2008 11:18:58 AM PST by Into the Vortex
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To: Mensius
Hunter. Thompson would be ok, as he's had a change of heart on a couple issues since his Senate days, but Duncan is still our best hope for a "limited government" conservative to win the General Election.

As pointed out in the article, the rest are just "Democrat Light".

29 posted on 01/01/2008 11:25:03 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Into the Vortex
Yea Fred stands there in a Coma like he did in the hearings he chaired. All people seem to remember was his opening line and not the Missing In Action out to lunch Fred later on who gace up without a fight.

Senators make sorry senators we don't need one as POTUS from any party. We need a congressman to straighten out the mess. Congress is not quite as out of touch with folks back home the senate lost touch decades ago.

BTW anyone saying congressmen can not win is a lie. The first GOP POTUS was in fact just that.

30 posted on 01/01/2008 11:26:08 AM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: cva66snipe

You’d better “gace” this, scooter. It’s going to come down to an ex-senator squaring off against two ex-Governers and an ex-mayor (for gawds sake). If your plan is to discontinue political discourse in the event that an ex-congressman is excluded from the race, so be it.


31 posted on 01/01/2008 11:43:51 AM PST by Into the Vortex
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To: Into the Vortex

If FRed, Wudy, John, or Mitt, is the choice then yes I will do as I have done since 2000 look elsewhere for another choice. I don’t not want Bush presidency part 4 the first three were bad enough. FRED is Bush’s handpick. No Thanks. Of course Bush would be happy if Wudy, Mitt, John, or Fred gets the nod. Bush would not like a POTUS Hunter and you can take it to the bank. He would do like Clinton did Gore and clam up. Hunter, Paul, nor Keyes are Bush insiders {meaning more of the same policies} which is what this is actually all about.


32 posted on 01/01/2008 11:51:15 AM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: cva66snipe

Should read Neither Hunter, Paul, nor Keyes are Bush policy insiders {meaning against more of the same policies} which is what this is actually all about.


33 posted on 01/01/2008 11:53:18 AM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: cva66snipe
Knowing one’s ass from a tea kettle does not necessarily make one an insider. Grow up.
34 posted on 01/01/2008 11:58:19 AM PST by Mensius
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To: Mensius
Knowing one’s ass from a tea kettle does not necessarily make one an insider. Grow up.

Well Fred sure for several weeks didn't know his now did he Oh Moderate One. Grow up yourself Party Hack Enabler I want change in course of this shipwreck!

35 posted on 01/01/2008 12:01:21 PM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: Mensius
I agree. The willingness of so many Republicans to capitulate on traditional, bedrock conservative values and principles is truly scary!!!

As the Gipper so eloquently stated,,,,

"So, it was our Republican Party that gave me a political home. When I signed up for duty, I didn't have to check my principles at the door. And I soon found out that the desire for victory did not overcome our devotion to ideals".
--Ronald Reagan remarks at the Republican National Convention in New Orleans, August 15, 1988.

However, after this last election, Chuckie Schumer proudly boasted,

"The Reagan Revolution is dead"!!!

When you look at how many Republicans are willing to 'throw the base (with its long-held, conservatives values and principles) "UNDER THE BUS",,,,,can anyone doubt that what Chuckie said is absolutely correct???

36 posted on 01/01/2008 12:02:26 PM PST by stockstrader (We need a conservative who will UNITE the Party, not a liberal who will DEMORALIZE it!)
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To: cva66snipe

Paul? .....You actually consider ....OK then...Buh Bye, nice chattin’ with you. Watch the street signals before you cross, and read all warning labels carefully.

Happy New Year,
I do mean that!


37 posted on 01/01/2008 12:04:00 PM PST by Into the Vortex
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To: Mensius

Washington State I bet you loved old Slate too huh?


38 posted on 01/01/2008 12:04:31 PM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: cva66snipe
Washington State I bet you loved old Slate too huh?

Slade. And no, but better than Cantwell.

Slate is The magazine you hide under your mattress apparently.

39 posted on 01/01/2008 12:09:05 PM PST by Mensius
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To: Into the Vortex
Paul? .....You actually consider ....OK then...Buh Bye, nice chattin’ with you. Watch the street signals before you cross, and read all warning labels carefully.

I would consider him far before I would Wudy, Mitt, John and likely yes even Fred my former senator. That leaves three choices for me on the GOP ticket. Three whose OVERALL policies are Conservative. The GOP better start listening to Ron Paul, Duncan Hunter, and Alan Keyes supporters this election or face a huge loss next November. If this is 1996 again then the GOP is a gonner for the history books like Whigs. Like it or not Paul has ideas a sizable portion of the Conservative voters want heard and put into policy {away from his Iraq policy}.

I agree with Hunter on a true honest to goodness actual National Defense a lot more than Paul. Now can you understand it? On the rest Paul is pretty much right though.

Happy New year to you too :>}

40 posted on 01/01/2008 12:11:43 PM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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