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To: theothercheek
Any conclusion, however derived, that the 2nd amendment doesn't apply to individual citizens is a logical absurdity ignoring the text of the amendment itself.

To be able to call up a militia, the people from which that militia is called up must have arms... guns, and yes, even "assault" weapons.

[Sidebar: Switzerland is a beautiful example of what OUR Constitution says. The Swiss population is heavily armed... with military-style weapons.

The deterence of a heavily armed population is beyond argument. Hitler avoided Switzerland in WWII. Liberal historians claim it was the mountains that kept Hitler out. That is BS. Switzerland's heavily armed population kept Hitler out.]


The 2nd amendment is tied directly to Art 1 Sec 8 Par 12 declaring that no appropriation for an army shall be for more than two years, and Art 1 Sec 8 Par 16 declaring that militia officers and training shall be from the states involved, preserving state-loyalty.

Framers of the Constitution did not want America to have an ongoing military force. They intended that militias be called up from the population at large when the need for military force arises.

Reliance on called-up-militias is clear evidence that military force was intended to be used only to protect American soil from outside invasion or internal insurrection, and clear evidence that the Framers did not want America intervening in the affairs of other nations nor sending troops abroad.

I don't know how anyone can support the 2nd Amendment and support the war in Iraq. That war is clearly a violation of the Constitution's intent.
54 posted on 11/10/2007 12:42:52 PM PST by gpk9 ("Fairness" is the new Constitution and Bill of (no) Rights for America... I mean Amerika.)
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To: gpk9

“I don’t know how anyone can support the 2nd Amendment and support the war in Iraq. That war is clearly a violation of the Constitution’s intent.”

????? WHAT ?????


73 posted on 11/10/2007 2:10:27 PM PST by Into the Vortex
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To: gpk9

“Reliance on called-up-militias is clear evidence that military force was intended to be used only to protect American soil from outside invasion or internal insurrection, and clear evidence that the Framers did not want America intervening in the affairs of other nations nor sending troops abroad.”

Here’s where your argument breaks down -

They all did.

They kept a standing army. The same guys you said never intended to - they did. The institution still exists now.


I don’t know how anyone can support the 2nd Amendment and support the war in Iraq. That war is clearly a violation of the Constitution’s intent.”

No - you misunderstand the intent.


110 posted on 11/11/2007 9:15:33 AM PST by GovernmentIsTheProblem (The GOP is "Whig"ing out.)
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