Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

To: RedRover
>>>>one count of premeditated murder of a military-age Iraqi male, planting weapons, false official statement, and obstruction of justice.

Legal problems. You can fight the murder charge on the basis that the service member thought he was being attacked by the Iraqi male. Just that is a hard case for gmvt to prove.

Problem is, it is easier to prove the planting of a weapon charge. He did or he didn’t. There is no “self defense” or “thought he was an enemy” defense to the planting a weapon charge.

Once they establish the planting a weapon charge, if they do, then it makes the defense against the murder charge much more difficult, because it is harder to establish that you thought it was a good kill if you thought you had to plant a weapon, etc.

The false official statement and OJ charges are not serious, and probably simply lesser included offenses, but the planting the weapon charge, if sustained, is a problem for what it implies downline

3 posted on 09/09/2007 3:15:21 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in Vietnam meant never having to say I was sorry......)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]


To: MindBender26
Once they establish the planting a weapon charge, if they do, then it makes the defense against the murder charge much more difficult, because it is harder to establish that you thought it was a good kill if you thought you had to plant a weapon, etc.

You are correct. This is the key charge. If proven, it will undercut Sgt. Vela's defense of justified homicide.

5 posted on 09/09/2007 3:33:29 PM PDT by jude24 (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies ]

To: MindBender26
planting a weapon

This is an unusual charge. American troops are not issued soviet-style AK47 rifles, the kind used by insurgents. One has to come up with a source of AK47s for these soldiers who've been charged.

Did they carry around AK47s just for the purpose of planting them? If so, then they were keeping battlefield contraband which is against regs. Carrying them around is unlikely because they'd be punished for it.

The logical conclusion is that these weapons most likely came from the battlefield where the dead men were found.

It's also highly likely that the soldiers who were charged with "planting" weapons were simply assigning to the deceased Iraqis, the weapon they most likely had been using in the fight with the Americans. Given that American troops are debriefed after each operation and they are asked to go over all the details of the battle, then it is likely that they were reconstructing the scene of the fight by putting all the pieces of it together so they could report it back to their unit.

19 posted on 09/09/2007 7:10:20 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson