Posted on 08/12/2007 11:13:36 AM PDT by CutePuppy
Dixie Ping!
“Thought you might be interested in the subject” ping.
Apparently you need a history lesson.
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Bedford_Forrest
"Forrest is also one of the war's most controversial figures. Although he was accused of war crimes at the Battle of Fort Pillow for having led Confederate soldiers in an alleged massacre of unarmed black Union troops, the accusation was later completely rejected by a 1871 United States Congressional investigation."
"After the war he was alleged to have participated in the founding of the Ku Klux Klan. Despite rumors that he was the first Grand Wizard of the Klan, the Congressional investigation of the Klan in 1871, which included several former Confederate generals, undertaken by Radical Republicans concluded that Forrest did not found the Klan, was not its leader, did not participate in its activities and worked to have it disbanded.
A goverment that fears arms in the hands of it people should also fear ROPE!
- Nathan Bedford Forrest about 1845
A timeless statement from a man that didn't mince words!
wikipedia isn’t the most reliable. Anyone can add or delete material there.
Most sites list him as one of the original organizers of the KKK and its grand wizard.
So, what about Nathan Bedford Forrest? One historian labeled him, “the clear, unfettered genius of the Civil War.” Others see him as a racist monster, responsible for the massacre of blacks at Fort Pillow on April 30, 1864. Never asking his soldiers to go where he wouldn’t himself, he had 29 horses shot out from under him. He entered the Confederate forces a private and left it a general. On the other hand, he helped start the organization known as the KKK and served as its head from 1867-1869.
http://www.blueshoenashville.com/history.html
Got any evidence to the contrary?
On August 28, 1868, in the Cincinnati Commercial, Lt General Forrest was interviewed to get his “…views in regard to the condition of your civil and political affairs in the State of Tennessee, and the South generally…” The following back and forth is between the reporter and Forrest. The reporter begins asking about the Klan.
“Why, General, we people up north have regarded the Ku-Klux as an organization which existed only in the frightened imagination of a few politicians”
“Well, sir, there is such an organization, not only in Tennessee, but all over the South, and its numbers have not been exaggerated.”
“What are its numbers, general?”
“In Tennessee there are over 40,000; in all the Southern states they number about 550,000 men.”
“What is the character of the organization; May I inquire?”
“Yes, sir. It is a protective political military organization. I am willing to show any man the constitution of the society. The members are sworn to recognize the government of the United States. It does not say anything at all about the government of Tennessee. Its objects originally were protection against Loyal Leagues and the Grand Army of the Republic; but after it became general it was found that political matters and interests could best be promoted within it, and it was then made a political organization, giving its support, of course, to the Democratic party.”
“Do you think, general, that the Ku-Klux have been of any benefit to the State?”
“No doubt of it. Since its organization, the leagues have quit killing and murdering our people. There were some foolish young men who put masks on their faces and rode over the country, frightening negroes, but orders have been issued to stop that, and it has ceased. You may say, further, that three members of the Ku-Klux have been court-martialed and shot for violations of the orders not to disturb or molest people.”
“Do you think, General, that the Ku-Klux have been of any benefit to the State?”
“No doubt of it. Since its organization, the leagues have quit killing and murdering our people. There were some foolish young men who put masks on their faces and rode over the country, frightening negroes, but orders have been issued to stop that, and it has ceased. You may say, further, that three members of the Ku-Klux have been court-martialed and shot for violations of the orders not to disturb or molest people.”
“Are you a member of the Ku-Klux, general?”
“I am not, but am in sympathy and will co-operate with them. I know that they are charged with many crimes that they are not guilty of. A case in point is the killing of Bierfield at Franklin, a few days ago. I sent a man up there especially to investigate the case, and report to me, and I have his letter here now, in which he states that they had nothing to do with it as an organization.”
“Then I suppose that there can be no doubt of a conflict if the militia interfere with the people; is that your view?”
“Yes, sir; if they attempt to carry out Governor Brownlow’s proclamation, by shooting down Ku-Klux - for he calls all Southern men Ku-Klux - if they go to hunting down and shooting these men, there will be war, and a bloodier one than we have ever witnessed. I have told these radicals here what they might expect in such an event. I have no power to burn or kill negroes. I intend to kill the radicals. I have told them this and more, there is not a radical leader in this town but is a marked man, and if a trouble should break out, none of them would be left alive. I have told them that they are trying to create a disturbance and then slip out and leave the consequences to fall upon the negroes, but they can’t do it. When the fight comes not one of them would get out of this town asaying it was “being perverted from its original honorable and patriotic purposes, becoming injurious instead of subservient to the public peace”live. We don’t intend they shall ever get out of the country. But I want it distinctly understood that I am opposed to any war, and will only fight in self-defence.”
The Klan’s increasing reputation for violence led the more prominent citizens to drop out while criminals and the dispossessed began to fill the ranks. Local chapters proved difficult, if not impossible, to monitor and direct. In disgust in January 1869, Forrest officially disbanded the organization saying it was “being perverted from its original honorable and patriotic purposes, becoming injurious instead of subservient to the public peace” and the vast majority of local groups followed his lead. a small number of local units continued to operate but were eventually disbanded or sent into hiding by federal troops.
The reporter should have asked him if he had ever belonged to the kkk. One wonders how he could disband a group that he never belonged to. hmmmmm
NBF Dixie Ping
An interesting anecdote about the colorful general.
Regarding some of the comments, I don’t understand why we can’t accept that any historical figure (heck, any living person!) does some things that are good and some that are bad; that most people have both gifts and weaknesses, successes and failures.
there was NO massacre. period. end of story. further, the REVISIONISTS who tell that pack of LIES, know that they are lying.
frankly, that accusation was a KNOWING,PREMEDITATED pack of LIES, promulgated by a bunch of radical REVISIONIST,south-HATING, arrogant,LEFTIST, DAMNyankee, bigots out of the northeastern, "poison ivy league screwls".
furthermore,the "pack of lies" it DENIGRATES the BRAVE & LOYAL service of the Black Union soldiers, who "fought to the last breath" for their side.
next, when GEN Forrest was in the KKK (briefly) it was to be a GUERRILLA FORCE to fight the DYs, who were in the south;land after the WBTS. there was NO "racial component" to the organization at THAT time. when the General discovered that the RACISTS had taken over the group, the General VERY PUBLICALLY left it.
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that's why.
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the U S POW Center (at Andersonville) investigated every available/possible accusation (over a 10-year investigation) of INTENTIONAL abuse/torture/murder/other war crimes & could NOT find CREDABLE evidence of even ONE such incident.
there was MUCH sickness/hunger/disease & many deaths, but NO cases of INTENTIONAL abuse of POWs there. period.end of story.
otoh, the DYs ran DEATH CAMPS at Point Lookout, MD, Elmira, NY, Camp Douglas, IL & at some other places.
the INTENT of which was TORTURE,denial of medical care, INTENTIONAL starvation, "exposure of their natural persons to cold of winter & heat of summer, without suitable shelter" & (in all too many cases) OUTRIGHT cold-bloodied MURDER.
fwiw, a serving Prussian MAJ of The 4th King's Hussars, who visited Point Lookout, MD, was the first (known) person to use the term = Concentration Camp to describe the facility. MAJ Achs said, in his report to the commanding general, that "if the present war continues much longer, i expect NONE of those UNFORTUNATES to survive".
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“Gee, the guy that Black Flagged Ft. Pillow and started the KKK was a real nice guy after all?”
He must have been or my ancestors wouldn’t have served under him. :)
I’ll repeat an opinion I’ve offered several times on this forum: Slavery would have ended within a generation without the Civil War and civil rights were set back, not advanced, by Northern interference labeled “reconstruction”.
This from an Nth generation Yankee.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Add Columbus, Ohio to your list of death camps. The cemetary still exists.
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