Posted on 08/07/2007 4:48:58 PM PDT by Thomas Edison Jefferson
There are those who are asking the question (Quote): Should the US allow for more lenient immigration policies toward highly skilled workers?
In other words: Should the US thus continue to "except" our way out of being a Nation based on the rule of law, as opposed to a nation based on "making exceptions" (such as a "caste" system [caste: "separated from others by distinctions of hereditary rank, profession, etc]), political expediency, "political correctness", etc, and thus also continue to increasingly pretend to be a nation based on the rule of law? If the answer to the question at hand is "Yes", then the answer to both questions is "Yes" because they are both the same question, in different words. Furthermore, if the answer is "Yes, then why did we ever bother with our Revolutionary War to not only depart from such mistakes in history (among other things), but also separate ourselves from such systems where the rule of law was the exception, and "exceptions" based on such things as "profession/skill level, etc., were the rule?
Likewise, if the answer to the question at hand is "Yes", then what are you going to do about the disincentive such "making exceptions" presents to the (as of yet) overwhelming majority of native-born U.S. citizens (including students), against their being and/or becoming "highly skilled"; indeed against their pursuing/completing any education and/or training to become so? Also, what are you going to do about the further limiting effect of such exception making against U.S. citizens, regardless of when ours is or is not "an employers job market (more applicants than there are jobs)"?
Now you should also see that if you say "Yes" to the question at hand, you will be not only be adding fuel to a fire, but you will have us further playing the same "exception" game against which (among other things) we revolted to separate ourselves from.
So the answer to this one is most definitely no! It is time to stop "excepting" our way out of being a Nation based on the rule of law, such as "making exceptions" based on "profession/skill level", no matter how "politically correct", and politically expedient, it may be to anyone, including "progressive" politicians!
The majority of U.S. citizens are already shocked, amazed, and increasingly infuriated by such formerly unimaginable, "progressive", politically-driven, public and national policy practices, efforts, and even propositions! The "social engineering" so evident in such "exception making" policies and practices is essentially designed for certain "progressive" politicians and their allies to obtain and cultivate masses of beholden and/or dependant voters, so of course we should be infuriated to the point of action to stop more of such devices and designs.
The bottom line is: We must not continue to "except" our way further out of being a Nation based on the rule of law, as opposed to a nation "making exceptions" based on such as "profession/skill level", however "politically correct" and politically expedient that is for some. We must finally insist "No more such making exceptions of people", and insist upon enforcement of the laws we already have, no exceptions. If certain people object to that, then we may remind them that they are free to go to some other Nation more to their liking where the rule of law is more the exception, and "making exceptions of people" (such as on the basis of Profession/skill level, etc.) is more the rule.
Otherwise, why did we bother with our Revolutionary War to separate ourselves from such things as that, and others?
Sometimes it’s not progressives.....fact: 60,000 engineers graduate every year in the USA! that’s gonna spread each engineer pretty thin in the job interview world. Great for the engineer, terrible in a full employment country with a booming economy! I mean forced outsourcing is ok if you like it, but if I’m trying to hire an engineer, that needle in a haystack gets powerful inefficient!
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True. To state it even more accurately: It is not only those who refer to themselves as “Progressive” or “Liberal”, but also those who refer to themselves as “Moderates”, whom, understanding that most voters raise their families far more conservatively than they talk for fear of being “unpopular”, etc, shift their “talk” toward the Right/Conservative just long enough to get elected/re-elected, without ever actually shifting their “walk” away from their “Progressive/Left” agenda. I just thought that #1, those details went without saying, and #2, that could extend the length of my post beyond limits anyway.
Note: I don’t quite see what “60,000 engineers graduat(ing) every year in the USA has to do with “Sometimes it’s not Progressives”, unless you are refering to how native-born (in the U.S.) engineering graduates are getting screwed by such “Progressive” “New World Order” policy efforts as in immigration leniency for “highly skilled workers”, and amnesty, etc, for illegals.
It's not the 60,000 engineers graduating this year who are in danger. It's the 60,000 who graduated 20 years ago and who have spent their careers working and adding value to their company and advancing to a comforable salary, only to find that their employer decided to import one of those 'highly skilled workers' to do their job for 40% of what they're making.
Agreed. So as an example, those engineers do make a good example of how indeed native-born U.S. citizens already in their careers are being turned into a “body count of the unemployed” through such policy efforts by the afforementioned politicians out to create beholden and dependant voters as part of their quest for their “Workers Utopia” in their “New World Order”.
You’re spot on...perhaps it IS just ‘the money’! I’m an engineering graduate that graduated 40 years ago...was ‘outsourced’ (in place) to a German company less than 10 years ago, and recently decided to retire early...but back to the original premise.
One concern (among the many that have already been discussed) is the ‘health’ of our Universities engineering capabilities. Clearly, as long as our failed secondary education system refuses to ‘promote’ engineering there will be few American engineering students to graduate! And we want American Universities to keep graduating engineers so American companies can either 1) hire foreign workers, 2) outsource, 3) pay up to recruit American engineers away from competitors, etc... in their quest to remain technologically competitive. Technology demands don’t wait for engineers! Obvious alternatives are to ‘dumb down’ organizations, replacing engineers with Business/Math majors in management...saw that all the time! That’s an ‘organization killer’ tho’! So now our engineering organizations are loaded up with legal immigrants. So I’m wondering where the ‘rule of law’ question enters the original equation? The article kindof implies someone’s out there importing illegal alien skilled workers, doesn’t it! In my 37 years, I knew of only one...he came in thru Canada unbeknownst to us, when he was found out...he went back home thru Canada and worked the system to come back legally in a year or so from his home country...but those were the good ole days!
Again I’m in complete agreement with your point, and am simply pointing to the failure of our secondary education system to ‘keep up’...I’m guessing you’re NOT complaining about being overpaid...just that it gets harder to find a slot where an immigrant can’t replace us. /rant
another view of the logjam in engineering/professional visas, along with some stats (like over half of the silicon valley startups have been legal immigrants!)
http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz/content/aug2007/sb20070821_920025.htm?campaign_id=yhoo
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