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To: beezdotcom

If you will note, our posts posted at the same time. Your flippant one was the only one I saw.

Incidentally, you should do more research. It IS over doctrine. Most significantly, soteriology, or salvation.


47 posted on 07/01/2007 10:25:17 PM PDT by Blogger
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To: Blogger

Warren’s Soteriology:

“First, believe. Believe God loves you and made you for his purposes. Believe you’re not an accident. Believe you were made to last forever. Believe God has chosen you to have a relationship with Jesus, who died on the cross for you. Believe that no matter what you’ve done, God wants to forgive you.

“Second, receive. Receive Jesus into your life as Lord and Saviour. Receive his forgiveness for your sins. Receive his Spirit, who will give you the power to fulfill your life purpose. Wherever you are reading this, I invite you to bow your head and quietly whisper the prayer that will change your eternity: ‘Jesus, I believe in you and I receive you.’ Go ahead. “If you sincerely meant that prayer congratulations! Welcome to the family of God!” (p. 58-59).

Where is Repentance in this prayer? Where is any acknowledgement of how our sin has offended God in the explanation preceding the prayer? It isn’t there - nor is it in most Seeker-sensitive invitations. Instead, the true gospel is being replaced by a feel-good come to Jesus speech that is heavy on “feel-goodism” and light on doctrinal truth.


Warren’s eschatology

Warren is a dominionist who believes that Christians will solve all the world’s ills. He has a PEACE plan, which hesitates not to use whomever, including the local Imam, to fulfill its goals.


Warren’s theology

Warren’s view of the Sovereignty of God is deficient to say the least. Jesus said “If I be lifted I will draw all men unto myself.” He also said no man comes unless the Father draws him. In contrast, Warren’s entire premise is built around the idea that WE can make ANYONE respond to Christ through our own power. To quote Warren: “It is my deep conviction that anybody can be won to Christ if you discover the key to his or her heart. That key to each person’s heart is unique so it is sometimes difficult to discover. It may take some time to identify it. But the most likely place to start is with the person’s felt needs. As I pointed out earlier, this was the approach Jesus used.”

Was it really? Is that the tactic that Jesus used with the woman caught in adultery? He addressed her sin and need for forgiveness with compassion, not her need (which in this day an age probably would be freedom from loneliness). Indeed, Jesus frequently (even while he met needs) approached people from their true need for forgiveness from sin and need to repent rather than any pop-psychology. Guess that’s why he called the most resistant to him a brood of vipers.

And, of course, the ‘felt needs’ approach is certainly that of the early church. Peter, while addressing the Jewish leadership repeatedly used that approach for sure with things like “This Jesus, WHOM YOU CRUCIFIED.” And Stephen was sure using the seeker sensitive approach when he said “51Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

52Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:

53Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it. “


48 posted on 07/02/2007 5:47:14 AM PDT by Blogger
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To: Blogger
Incidentally, you should do more research.

Incidentally, you should present more research. Unlike the Democrats investigating Iran-Contra, the "seriousness of the charge" alone is not likely to sway me to do more than I have done - and "proof by vigorous assertion" doesn't hold much sway, either. He that has lips, let him speak.
50 posted on 07/04/2007 12:00:34 PM PDT by beezdotcom
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