Posted on 06/02/2007 7:36:56 AM PDT by GFritsch
Have you copyrighted that phrase? It should at least be your tag line.
Clever change of subject, turning this into a conservatives-hate-Bush thread, completely avoiding the topic at hand: the merits of this immigration bill.
Nobody whines or screams more than you Johnnie.
Interesting that we Americans seem to forget a couple of things when talking about immigration—primarily that we are all descendants of the huddles masses yearning to be free.
You live in a democracy? The United States of America is a Republic.
No offense meant, but I get angry when our politicians refer to our system of government as a democracy and extole the virtues of a democracy.
Democracies wipe out individual rights. Republics ensure them.
Have a great weekend.
Drama sells I guess.
Johnnie, here's a news flash for ya. The only ones on YOUR side, are Bush, McCain and Kennedy and a feew other sellouts that you so admire.
If the republicans are paying Johnnie they aren’t getting their money’s worth.
I think that historically it's more proper to ask 'will our troops take their Spectre gunships and fight the citizenry?' (Or just loan out their tanks, again)
Or 'which of our troops...'
Would you fight for Virginia or for the Union?
For Nation or Continent?
We can't take in everyone who wants to come here. We already accept more legal immigrants, now 1.1 million a year, than the rest of the world combined. Ellis Island only operated from 1890 to 1924. You had to be processed including being given a physical. Immigration, supervised by the states if it was regulated at all before the 1880's. The 1885 Alien Contract Labor law presents one example of the difficulties of enforcing legislation without federal participation. Intended to protect the wages of American laborers, this law made it a criminal offense to import aliens under any prior contract for the performance of labor or service of any kind. The law made no provision for enforcement of its terms through inspection or deportation, and the states could not enforce it.
Congress passed a series of laws in this period which specified the kinds of individuals who would face deportation if they attempted to enter the United States. By 1917 the list was long. It included thirtythree classes of exclusions including: idiots, imbeciles, feeble-minded persons, epileptics, insane persons, previously insane persons, persons of constitutional psychopathic inferiority, chronic alcoholics, paupers, professional beggars, vagrants, persons with tuberculosis, or "Loathsome or dangerous contagious disease," anyone with a physical or mental defect which might affect his ability to earn a living, those who had committed crimes involving "moral turpitude," polygamists, anarchists, ....
"Wealthy immigrants that traveled first class and second class would get automatic entry into the United States. First they had to pass a six second physical examination. Those with visible health problems or diseases were sent home or held in the island's hospital facilities for long periods of time. Next they were asked 29 questions including name, occupation, and the amount of money they carried with them. Generally those immigrants who were approved spent from three to five hours at Ellis Island. However more than three thousand would-be immigrants died on Ellis Island while being held in the hospital facilities.
Some unskilled workers and immigrants were rejected outright because they were considered "likely to become a public charge." About 2 percent were denied admission to the U.S. and sent back to their countries of origin for reasons such as chronic contagious disease, criminal background, or insanity.
And, that, if, during WWII if we had let some of those ships in to the US, fewer Jewish people would have been exterminated like bugs by the Nazis. It’s the same as saying “Well, I passed the bar exam, now let’s tighten up the rules and make it harder for the rest”.
We still bring in asylum seekers and refugees. In FY2003, there were 42,114 claims for asylum filed with USCIS, and by the close of the fiscal year, there were 262,102 asylum cases pending at USCIS. The vast majority of the 500,000 to 1 million who enter this country illegally each year are not asylum seekers or refugees.
My true concern is this: Once the primarily Mexican population is here, can our mushy education system teach them what they need to know to maintain a democracy? A true democracy cannot be maintained with uneducated, easily manipulated people that cannot think critically and that is the larger problem the way I see it. Also, we need to require assimilation, mainitain strict limits on social programs so that people are self sufficient.
Just meaningless platitudes that have no relation to the reality on the ground. We are being invaded in huge numbers. We can't assimilate them for that very reason. Most of them are the poor and uneducated of Latin America. We are "importing" high school dropouts. Just based on US high school dropouts, we know from social pathology that they are going to have a hard time in our society and will be at the bottom of the economic ladder. Hispanics in the US have the highest dropout rates and out of wedlock pregnancies.
Ironically (can you understand irony let alone appreciate it) the people you would make marginal are more attuned to the party platform than the people running the party.
The elites used to just ignore the platform. Now they are actively working against it.
Thank you for proving my point about you.
However, the problem is that we now have a massive influx of arrivals who (a) know they are breaking laws imposed since 1910 (Ellis Island), who (b) have shown themselves antagonistic to assimilation, and (c) contribute to decline of schools, medical care, fiscal policy, and simple safety on our streets....and no one so far has been willing to seriously restrict them.
It may also be wise to differentiate between people fleeing from persecution or occupation and people stopping over for the bucks and for paved streets. It may be characterized as 'something we forget' or as 'political porn' but it's an issue that has to be addressed and 'our' president and 'our' elected representatives are addressing it from the wrong side.
As to president Bush, despite several outstanding threats to our sovereignity, as well as an ongoing war, he chooses to force this pet policy just in time to trash his own legacy as well as cohesion within his own party and the nation at large.
It's not easy to admire that.
I cannot decide which is more amusing your basic ignorance of US politics, economics and history or your arrogance in coming here every day to lecture people on topics you obviously next to nothing about.
AuntB has been marginalized.
You go marginator.
I think the reason why old “Conservatives” are getting so bent out of shape here is they know there was more then a bit of truth in the President’s statements about them.
There is more then a whiff of “Know Nothingism” around the Immigration debate that is seriously damaging the Conservatives argument. The hyper hysteric bile and over heated rhetoric pouring out of the “Conservative” media makes people who MIGHT otherwise agree with the argument suspicious of the motivations of those making the argument. They all are just a bit too emotional on this topic to be taken seriously.
Preaching to the choir may make all the little ‘Net warriors feel all macho and cool, it will not advance their political agenda one iota.
To advance your agenda you have to reach people who may only partially, or slightly, agree with your views. Screaming hate and bile at anyone who does NOT agree only 100% with the personal dogmas of the screamers, is not going to win this fight.
But frankly, I suspect the "Conservative" establishment and it's drones really do not want to win. So much easier for them to just be an angry fringe screaming mindlessly about everything then to actually do the heavy lifting it requires to be an effective part of the political process.
Have you ever read your party's platform? Is there anything in it you agree with?
Now that you have prove my point about the emotionally hysteric demagogic nature of the Antis arguement on this topic, try reigning in your angst and actually taking the time to read and rationally responding to my point.
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