"...Giuliani has shown that he doesn't even understand the 2nd Amendment..."
Neither do most 'conservatives'.
"Their past personal indiscretions speak volumes of their character."
Didn't seem to hurt Nixon, Bush I or Bush II, did it?
"Supporting a Democrat openly against a Republican is the most significant indiscretion Giuliani has ever made. He allowed his personal feelings get between himself and party loyalty. Now, in 2008 he might expect the same in return."
Strong assertion. State your proof of personal animosity between Rudy and Pataki. As for supporting a member of the opposition party, because the man is a republican he's not entitled to have a free mind and make his own choices? This is what we have been talking about the entire time: pragmatic thinking above the primacy of party loyalty. John McCain is fairly lionized by some conservatives, and yet he's revels in the role of "maverick", so what's your point? Are we to blindly follow an ideology and party that focuses on a narrow range of issues to the detriment of all else? If I offered you a low-tax, low-spending, law-and-order, get-the-bureaucrats-off-their-behinds, tough-talking conservative most days you wouldn't have an issue with him at all, I guess, so long as his name isn't Giuliani. I'm surprised that a good many haven't brought out the old canard that being a Catholic and Italian that Giuliani's first loyalties would be to the Pope and the Godfather rather than the GOP or the country.
"He may be fiscally conservative, but we all know his positions on many social issues and he is FAR from conservative, even being to the left of many liberals."
Compared to whom? Illuminate me, please.
Would like to make a charge here publicly?
"State your proof of personal animosity between Rudy and Pataki."
Where did I mention animosity. I said "personal feelings". You are like many of the others -- trying to invent charges or put words in other peoples' mouths.
"Compared to whom? Illuminate me, please."
There are many liberal Democrats who are actually opposed to partial birth abortion. We all know it. Go research it on your own, I am not going to argue with you.