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To: Wombat101

The Giuliani supporters have harped on this from the beginning, that if their man is the nominee that we have to support him or we will be at fault for a President Hillary. Yet Rudy himself endorsed Mario Cuomo when he ran for Governor against George Pataki. Where was HIS loyalty to the GOP?


34 posted on 03/06/2007 8:40:52 AM PST by TommyDale (What will Rudy do in the War on Terror? Implement gun control on insurgents and Al Qaeda?)
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To: TommyDale

How much difference is there between Cuomo and Pataki?


42 posted on 03/06/2007 8:48:33 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: TommyDale

Tommy, you may vote for whom you please. My intention is not to convince anyone to do otherwise. However, it is blatantly unfair to nitpick at the man's personal life and retro-actively ascribe dicatorial powers (left unused) to the Mayor of New York on a variety of issues (immigrationm for example), while the skeletons of Conservative heroes go completely ignored in comparison.

I submit:

Rudy is a gun-grabber - he enforced federal and state law, passed by legally-constituted and elected legislatures. Rudy did not, of his own volition, make a decision to one day disarm a helpless populace in order to make them easier prey to criminals and Fed'ral Stromtroopers. He might agree philosophically with those laws, but if you ran a city of 8 million with a murder rate as high as NYC's was (2,200+ annually at it's height!), you might see some logic in limiting the number of illegal weapons available, too.

Rudy supported Cuomo - Considering that the City of New York is perpetually short-changed with regards to state funding for everything, it hardly makes sense to antagonize the governor that you will have to deal with in order to make sure you get that fair share. I consider Rudy's support of Cuomo more as a smart political move to the benefit of NYC than I do as an illumination of the man's political leanings. Political pragmatism often dictates that you work this way. Bobe Dole was famous for operating in this way, and I don't hear anyone damming him to the lowest ring of Hell for it.

Rudy has a sordid personal life - Well, so did Reagan, so did Gingrich, Barr, Packwood and Hastert, just to begin with, and let's not forget the last 'Conservative' Congress that protected an alleged sexual-predator-pedophile in order to protect it's majority. Seems to me that no one has clean enough hands...ever.

Rudy is no conservative - yet, the record on non-social issues fairly drips with conservatism in every way from law enforcement, fiscal responsibility, limiting the size and scope of government, to getting government to actually work. Or is conservatism now only narrowly-defined as having the "right" opinions on gay rights and abortion, and we can safely chuck the rest when it's convenient?

All I ask is that you be fair. Why is this difficult?



46 posted on 03/06/2007 8:53:07 AM PST by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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