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Eye on 08 ^ | 3/6/07

Posted on 03/06/2007 8:25:19 AM PST by areafiftyone

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To: justshutupandtakeit

Thanks I did mean Hyde. My bad, and good catch.


141 posted on 03/06/2007 10:52:16 AM PST by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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To: presently no screen name
Too bad Mitt needed organized cheerleaders.

Judging from the volume of shills for every candidate here on FR, they all do.

142 posted on 03/06/2007 10:53:57 AM PST by LexBaird (98% satisfaction guaranteed. There's just no pleasing some people.)
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To: Alberta's Child

"OK -- so it was popular among people who actually lived in his jurisdiction and unpopular among people who lived outside it (and therefore had no say in his prospects for re-election)."

Are you implying that if Rudy had run for Senate (which he was prepared to do before prostate cancer took him out), his stand on Cuomo would not have hurt him with Upstate repubs? Wouldn't he need those votes in order to win that Senate seat? Since that decision (to endorse Cuomo) is being dragged out now (10+ years after the fact), I'm pretty certain it would have been dragged out during any Rudy Senate race at the time.


143 posted on 03/06/2007 10:57:42 AM PST by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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To: Wombat101
I speculated at the time that Rudy Giuliani had no intention of running for the U.S. Senate in 2000, so that's not really all that relevant.

In retrospect, I wonder if his 1994 endorsement of Cuomo and his bizarre brand of "conservative" politics in NYC was part of a plan to run for governor of New York down the road -- as a DEMOCRAT.

144 posted on 03/06/2007 11:00:54 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Wombat101
I called it pragmatism, you call it oportunism. Somewhere there's a happy middle ground, I'm certain. LOL.

Please . . . I'm an engineer by trade. There's no room for any of that in my life. LOL.

145 posted on 03/06/2007 11:01:51 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: areafiftyone

I don't think it's a big deal at all that Romney directed 1.5% of his political donations to dems.

I also don't care what Rudy's relationship is with his kids.


146 posted on 03/06/2007 11:03:02 AM PST by ellery (The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedience, and by parts. - Edmund Burke)
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To: Alberta's Child

Speculation runs rampant!

Quite frankly, he could have run for governor on the Nazi ticket in NY State and probably been elected in a landslide (/sarcasm).

The issue of Giuliani is not so much party affiliation and stands on issues, I think, as much as it is that's he's a man who tells you what he thinks, and what he's going to do, and then goes out and does it.


147 posted on 03/06/2007 11:03:39 AM PST by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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To: presently no screen name

I don't disagree, sin is sin. I am no better than anyone else. Just don't preach to people here on how righteous you are when you throw hatred around.


148 posted on 03/06/2007 11:03:40 AM PST by TommyDale (What will Rudy do in the War on Terror? Implement gun control on insurgents and Al Qaeda?)
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To: areafiftyone
And apparently Romney likes to shove People's private family problems in to their own faces. Romney is showing his sleazy used car salesman side.

This is a proven lie. Romney has said no such thing and it is not on his website.

http://www.mittromney.com/
149 posted on 03/06/2007 11:04:53 AM PST by msnimje (Giuliani/Chafee 2008 - For the RINOs who want to send the very best to the White House)
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To: Alberta's Child

"Please . . . I'm an engineer by trade. There's no room for any of that in my life. LOL."

I'm a system's prgrammer, by trade, and all we seem to do is make compromises!


150 posted on 03/06/2007 11:05:58 AM PST by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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To: areafiftyone
I am just posting what the blogger wrote. This is what he wrote and I posted it. Believe me Romney is no angel and neither is his wife. You will see.

You are lying again. You posted what a blogger wrote and attributed it to Romney himself or his campaign.

You are making your man look bad. I am sure he would not condone lying on his behalf.
151 posted on 03/06/2007 11:07:58 AM PST by msnimje (Giuliani/Chafee 2008 - For the RINOs who want to send the very best to the White House)
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To: presently no screen name
Oh, that's rich coming from a Rudy hater! LOL

Are you old enough to be on the Internet without your mommy's permission?

That is a pretty childish argument.

I do not hate Rudy, I like Rudy just fine.

I simply do not think he should be in the White House except upon invitation of the President.
152 posted on 03/06/2007 11:11:30 AM PST by msnimje (Giuliani/Chafee 2008 - For the RINOs who want to send the very best to the White House)
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To: EndWelfareToday

Thanks!


153 posted on 03/06/2007 11:12:49 AM PST by Gunder
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To: stockstrader
That's only a factor of ten or more. No problem at all for the Rudy-apologists!

Yeah, what is it with all the bold face lying and attacking people who are paying him no attention whatsoever?

Too bad Rudy doesn't have any supporters who can articulate why they think he should be President other than he may be able to beat the gal who may the Democrat nominee.

I wouldn't be surprised if they start responding, "I know you are but what am I"
154 posted on 03/06/2007 11:18:19 AM PST by msnimje (Giuliani/Chafee 2008 - For the RINOs who want to send the very best to the White House)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Guess you see that Hunter's campaign is just about over so are now casting around for someone else without a prayer of election.

Have you always been a few cards short of a full deck or do you always run around running your mouth about things you know nothing about? My history is here on FR and while short as it is I have NEVER supported Hunter over Tancredo. Or anyone else in this campaign over Tancredo for that matter. Go check it out for yourself ;~D.

You RINOs will probably win again so I don't know what your problem is with who I'm supporting. Are you afraid that if enough real "Americans" ban together your guy (or gal as is most likely the case) will lose?

155 posted on 03/06/2007 11:20:23 AM PST by EndWelfareToday (Live free and keep what you earn. - Tancredo or Hunter)
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To: Wombat101
What I advocate is simply this: in those areas in which the movement can be advanced, then advance it. In areas in which the underlying social and political climate is less conducive, then you bide your time until the conditions are right for advance.

There's biding time and holding ground, and then there is advocating the opposing position. Rudy is advocating the opposing opinion on several hot button issues.

so long as this is the case, social conservatives should adandon electoral politics in favor of a battleground where they can actually make headway: at the individual level in the communities at large, which is traditionally their natural element in any case.

What a silly thing to advocate. Electoral politics sets the ground rules. To advocate abandoning using the franchise to influence the rules under which we live is to council subjugation to the players that remain in the game.

The ground is always under contention, and that which is not defended will be seized by the opposition. If the "values" conservatives are not fighting to define the rules our culture defines as moral, common and just, the ACLU's lawyers will be happy to do so for them, before judges appointed by electorally filled officials, using laws passed by them, administered by bureaucrats hired by them.

In the meantime, what is happening is that progress on some fronts is in danger of being stunted by obstinancy on others. The most notbale example of this is the extremely skewed nomination process, in which a minority within the GOP manages to punch above it's weight and unduly influence the available pool of candidates for general election

You're right. The moneyed "Rockefeller" pubbies do have far more influence than their numbers. But it balances out: the grassroots conservatives can't win without money and publicity; the anointed money candidates can't win without the masses in the base. Sounds like time for compromising in both directions, don't it?

156 posted on 03/06/2007 11:30:59 AM PST by LexBaird (98% satisfaction guaranteed. There's just no pleasing some people.)
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To: LexBaird
Sounds like time for compromising in both directions, don't it?

I don't know about you but I'm tired of "compromise." It's time to kick ass and take names. Compromise got us both Bushs and to my knowledge the only presidents that were worse for this nation, in my opinion, Jimmy (the peanut head) Carter and Billary Clinton (Ironically, three of the four are members of the Trilateral commission. A group of 300 men that are actively pushing for a "New World Order" that does NOT include the Sovereign United States of American remaining sovereign.)

TANCREDO '08

157 posted on 03/06/2007 11:50:54 AM PST by EndWelfareToday (Live free and keep what you earn. - Tancredo or Hunter)
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To: edcoil

I don't have a problem with Mitt's tactics either. He scored a good propaganda point by using them.

Rudy has raised lots of money probably more than anyone else by far. That is the least of his problems.


158 posted on 03/06/2007 12:15:18 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Defeat Hillary's V'assed Left Wing Conspiracy)
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To: EndWelfareToday

Sorry that I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you have a grasp on political realities. My bad. Knowing you support someone as goofy as TT means we do not have to take a thing you say as having any significance.


159 posted on 03/06/2007 12:20:33 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Defeat Hillary's V'assed Left Wing Conspiracy)
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To: areafiftyone

"His wife started it by sayng "My husband has only one wife". I wanted to puke when she said that. "

Why? You have a problem with people still on their first marriage?


160 posted on 03/06/2007 1:27:01 PM PST by WOSG (The 4-fold path to save America - Think right, act right, speak right, vote right!)
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