Posted on 02/18/2007 11:15:33 AM PST by Creationist
No but there is evidence that our galaxiy is the center of the universe!
Oh you are so conveinantly leaving things out my friend!
First of all why did Christianity start thriving everywhere at the very time of Christ? Nowhere in history has it been shown that people would die for a lie, (martyrs) People will die for what they think is truth but they dont die for what they know is a lie! If Christ had not risen from the dead as was reported, during this time, it would not have grown and people would not have spent their lives in and death for it! This is crucial for you to understand! Also it realy isnt that bizzarre to believe, the very fact that we are here in a perfect environment constantly striving over the moral, is a magnificent thing! The very fact that we are living beings is tremendous in its concept! along with all the other realms of our world around us, even the moon the sun food that just happens to taste good? air that we just happen to need and just happen to have! and on and on and on! It says in the bible that this life is our trial, all other propagations of religions their founders bones are still in their graves, but Christs are not found! The very fact that this whole world is bizzarre or supernatural, must be considered! You just dont realise it because it is routine and comfortable, so one does not see it as something as obvious as a miracle that happens in an instant, but if you look at whats around you even your own kiving being, there is no dispute of it supernatural and miraculous existance!
All animals are dumb! compared to us Humans and it says in the bible that we were made in the simalatude of God! And it says that mankind would have dominion over all else, and we do!
There are very major blows to evolution, just to simplify, Satan throughout mankind has brought about all different kinds of things just as evolution, Before it was pagan gods, human sacrifice, and other vile things and today one of these things are evolution.
You cannot add to the genetic code, therefore you cannot go from monkey to man, or any ting else for that matter. it says in Genesis that God created all things and that they will produce after their KIND! thats exactly what we have to day varies in the same genetic gene pool, but not adding to it, they always remain the same KIND! Equine, euroch, etc...etc... There is no fossil record! They find dinosaur bones today with tissue in them blood vessels blood etc...etc... most dinosuars were just the size of sheep! Mutations are ZERO % mathmatical possibility etc...etc...etc... and evolutionists know this already! Many creationists Scientists use to be evolutionists, but they began to realise what a con they were playing on themselves, just the fact that evolutionists are so biased and restrictive of other evidence showing the lies of it shows you the dishonesty among these individuals! Im not here to argue with you but I wish I could friendly help you to see! QWe Christians are sinners too, But we have forgiveness and so can you! Just look at the fact that we are here, thats a wonder in and of itself, so if it happened in an instant you say its fiction but if it happened over time its not fiction then, I dont get it! you cannot get something from nothing! but here we are! This should make you think very seriously, because as I said before it is a frightful thing to fall into the wrath of God!!!! Think and dont be rash my friend!!!! Be honest with yourself, are you trying to cover up sinful behaviour, with your beliefs! not wise friend, I know things can be difficult at times but we must strive for what God wants of us and it can be accomplished! Peace!
Sorry ostrich boy but it is historical fact that Thallus existed
Cornelius Tacitus
Pliny the younger
Thallus
Josephus
Lucian the Greek
The Talmud
There are over 47 prophecies mentioning Christ wich all were fulfilled and they know for archeological and historical fact that these writings in the old testament were written before Christ
Tertullian and many more!!!!!!!
More pointless gibberish that does not constitute proof of anything.
If you have any valid proof to offer, I'm all ears.
You will get no sign if thats what your looking for Pox, you have to use wisdom in your deduction and there is plenty to be had, so its up to you! if I was walking on a field and I came across a 747 jumbo jet, what would you conclude? that a wind storm whirled up the elements and formed the 747 jumbo jet? You didnt see anyone make it did you? You dont know by what menas it got there? You dont know how tha windows were placed into position and you didnt see anyone place them there, but what would your common sense tell you? that wind storm did it? or that it was made in an intelligent effort?
You see the people in the bible said the same things as you, show us a sign so that we can believe, but Christ said, you wicked and adulterous generation, you seek after a sign but there will be no sign given except the sign of the prophet Jonah. Your choice Pox! Peace dude!
Jacoby and Müller on "Thallus"
There's more evidence that Lemuel Gulliver existed
As for the other pagan writers you cite
Lucian, like Cornelius Tacitus and Pliny the Younger, only says Christians existed in the late first/early second century
The Christians, you know, worship a man to this day the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account You see, these misguided creatures start with the general conviction that they are immortal for all time, which explains the contempt of death and voluntary self-devotion which are so common among them; and then it was impressed on them by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers, from the moment that they are converted, and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his lawsThis does not support your original claim that
And for this who came in late, Wakeup Sleeper made that claim to defend
215 posted on 02/18/2007 7:46:12 PM PST by Wakeup Sleeper
Da Gamm, whats forever mean? Do you not realise there realy isnt any time, stars away are not a time, they are a distance. they are only demed far because of mans inability, but to a God who can do anything this inability does not exist.
There are all kinds of disputers Oz boy but it is understood by all historians of crediability that these people were legite and credible historians. There is more historical writings of Christ than any other historical figure in all of history at the time of Christ or before. Thats pretty damming to your assumptions. More than Ceasar, Nero, etc... etc...
Suetonius
The passing peregrinus- wrote of Christ the man who was crucified in Palestine etc...
Flavious Josephus who wrote of Christ who taughtmany and did surprising feats was believed to be the messiah was condemned to be crucified by Pilate and was considered to be resurected.
Tacitus writes of Neros persecution of Christians 55 A.D.
The Talmud--- who wrote of Christ doing miracles but that he did it by scorcery and not by God, (you see they admitted it in the Talmud, but they wouldnt believe it was miraculous)They also said He made Blasphemous claims about himself.
Also there are no other documents written in history that have evidential integrity and accuracy reliability of any document ever written in history ever, this is absolute historical fact. There are over 24,000 manuscripts and historians even say they are written in very close time to the origionals, and they are all through out there history 99.5 percent accurate of the time up to the very bible we have today! this is absolute historical and archeaological fact! You gather any amount of credible Historians from all over the Globe whether Christian or not and they will show you this is fact! as a matter of fact they already have donr this! The evidence for the history of the bible is more historicaly accurate in its integrity than the writings of Plato. This is historical fact!
Just alittle tid bit, did you know that archeaologists found the pool of bethesda and it five porticoes just as mentioned in the bible it was 40 ft below the ground,
Did you know they found a tomb in 1991 with the inscription on it of Caiaphas family. Oh theres so much more, thousands more as a matter of fact! Later dude and peace no strife here!
I'm not looking for a metaphor, I'm looking for any valid proof that would remove any other possibility from the table, or even any proof that would give your beliefs any kind of validity at all. Faith is not going to cut it.
There is no proof that you can possibly provide, and that's fine with me.
Yes, it is my choice, and your 'side' has lost the initiative for multiple reasons, none of which you are prepared to acknowledge.
When you look around you Pox you know there is something up! when you look at nature, when you look at history, when you look at archeology, when you look at society and what works best, etc...etc... Yes we walk by faith and not by sight just as the bible says the righteous will live by faith and not by sight, but it is not a blind faith! So as I said the choice is yours everyday you live by faith with everything you do, when you start your car, when you go to work, when you buy something all by faith that these things will provide conveinance and provision, but there is no proof so to speak. Look at whats around you and what has been done and what is being done and you will see that there is a God and that Jesus Christ is the answer! If it walks like a duck quacks like a duck etc... I can only conclude that it is a duck!
Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen! Like I said, your choice friend!
You insult and threaten you have anger issues. Read you own post. You are a threatening person. The words you use give the meaning you decide when some one crosses the line about speaking of God and if so well you said it.
I was right, you are an idiot, and a coward.
I have another question for you.
Do you find yourself sexually attracted to small boys on a regular basis?
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