Posted on 02/07/2007 5:27:59 AM PST by areafiftyone
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I don't see such a break out... and if so, it's far too early in the long race to matter....
Wow, people continue to confuse a Rudy win with a win for America. If he does win, so do illegals, the gay agenda, the abortionists, while law abiding citizens lose.
For Rudy to have a chance he will have to get his mind right about abortion, gay rights/marriage and gun control.
This is a true statement
Rudy's position on guns is troubling, but it also happens to be the current state of the law in this country regarding them. Unless and until the Supreme Court rules that the 2nd Amendment applies to state and local regulation, it is perfectly legal for those bodies to regulate gun ownership.
We need to get the right case in front of the Supreme Court where that ruling will be made.
"For Rudy to have a chance he will have to get his mind right about abortion, gay rights/marriage and gun control."
AH! The *teaching an old dog new tricks* notion. I'm not willing to risk 4 to 8 yrs. on a candidate who *might* change his colors.
BTW: What qualification does Rudy have to lead the most powerful country in the world? Never seem to get an answer to that question.
The only one necessary, he was born here. That's all the qual you need.
Your are right. The idea that a city or state can, in effect, make it's own interpretation of the 2d Amendment is ludicrous. The founding fathers did not say: "...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed. Now go do with it whatever you want."
I think I speak for a great many conservatives that I personally know (not the FR majority, but the everyday people I know), in 2000 I was first and foremost a fiscal conservative, social conservative secondly, and a security conservative third. I was, like many here at the time, pretty much an isolationist. Islamic fascism was not in my mind, and to tell the truth Osama Bin Laden probably never crossed my lips. September 11, 2001 changed everything for me. I am now a Rudyite. This is a secret I haven't even shared with my husband. He is first and for most a 2nd Amendment conservative. So for him it is a conundrum. He will vote for Rudy in the general, but not in the primaries (unless there is no choice by the time Wisconsin votes).
I feel Rudy is the best for the War on Terror. For the social conservatives, I feel your pain, but please just think about this. I would love a day that abortion is illegal, I am not for gay marriage, and I want to keep all of our guns, legally. But if we lose this war against the Islamic Fascists, we may actually gain most of the things social conservatives want, but we will be praising allah (I refuse to capitalize) instead of Thanking God. If you think this is hyperbole, please look no further than the politically correct Europe. They have been appeasing the fascists for years, and it is still not enough. The fascists are killing cartoonists, and kidnapping our people and forcing them to convert. Why will it be different here in another decade? So please think of these things when comparing the candidates for 2008, the first and foremost consideration must be our safety, and who will be the best to keep us safe. Rudy, or any of the democrats that are in the running?
OK, off my soap box now, I just wanted to explain why there are some true conservatives that will be backing Rudy.
Rudy Giuliani is in. Suggested campaign slogan: "He dealt with Brooklyn. He can handle Baghdad.'' He's not a sure thing; he has enough baggage to fill the cargo hold of a cruise ship. His sundry personal-life issues bother social conservatives; the gun control stance dismays the Second Amendment wing of the party; the pro-choice opinions alarm the evangelicals. That leaves about 47 Republicans, right? After all, it's just a party of cousin-marrying yahoos who'd sooner shoot up Planned Parenthood than vote for one of those fish-on-Friday types. Right?And then there are the othersNo. Voters are more flexible and forgiving than you might expect. And none of the objections obscure the central appeal of the Rudy candidacy: He'll nuke 'em if he has to. That won't be the central theme of his campaign, of course, but it's the unstated strength of his candidacy. He's not a wuss. Look at the rest of the field:
I guess he missed the latest poll where Rudy polls behind Hunter and Newt.
I read that thread yesterday. It was hilariously funny! One of the best I've read! Thanks! :-)
Good post! Thank you for sharing! :-)
Aside from being born in the USA, the population of New York City is larger than a lot of states. NYC, somewhere around 8 million; Arkansas, for example, <3 million.
As compared to what -- an insane asylum?
"I guess he missed the latest poll where Rudy polls behind Hunter and Newt."
Lets not leave out the most important candidate requirement, GRAVITAS! Which ones on the Republican's side have "IT". Which one will have the voters (including the independents)rushing to the polls to vote? Get one with draw power and the "I'll Stay home" types will get off their butts and vote.
"The only one necessary, he was born here. That's all the qual you need."
LOL! That's it? Well Hell, give me a couple of hundred million $$ and sign me up. I'm as qualified as Rudy for President.
Seriously, ya'll don't call youselves Conservatives in private, Right?
LOL!
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