NCIS Exposed:Criminals, Thugs, and Liars Bringing Down Marines

Defend Our Marines ^ | January 20, 2007 | David Allender

[RedRover]

All the special agents are on walkabout in the outback. Didn't you hear? Night, darlin'.

[The Original JAG Hunter]

THE MILITARY AND THE FEDERAL JUDICIARY: AN UNEXPLORED PART OF THE CIVIL-MILITARY RELATIONS TRIANGLE

by Colonel Michael H. Gilbert, USAF (Ret.), JAGC

[Marine_Uncle]

I can assure you I would have done my best to avoid hitting the soup, but one never knows, a wise warning for her indeed.

[ArmyLawyer05]

You realize that article agrees with me re the Founders' position? Or at best, makes a half-hearted attempt to argue around the Founder's separation of the military and civilian judicial systems, with no mention of Quirin.

The article takes a normative approach and argues that the Court SHOULD be far more activist and contrary to the founders' intention in not being so deferential to Congress' plenary authority over the military...

That's a political argument.

Note that in doing so you're causing some harm to that "sacred constitution" you claim to be upholding (while subverting it).

[The Original JAG Hunter]

I was gonna let this go. Your last provocation leaves me no choice but to put you in your place (again).

Pointing to the Constitution as "case law," and as an "original writing," I'll give you one chance to redeem yourself.

Describe, in 25 words or less (I'm a generous guy), the status of America's (federal) Navy and Army between 1787 - 1789.

Give the effective dates of the Articles of War adopted for use in the Revolutionary War.

Explain in 25 words or less the Founder's position on a federal standing military from 1787 - 1789.

Given these factual nuggets, reconcile your argument regarding the Founder's original intent as to the separation of federal military government (the courts-martial system) from the remaining citizenry so far as the operation of the Constitution is concerned. Use as many words here as you may need. I can't wait to read them.

Being a trained, skilled, well-read, and experienced JAG we all recognize you to be, you should be able to answer my quires instantly. But I'll give you a day.

Here endth the lesson.

The JAG Hunter

[RedRover]

Then you'd think you'd be inclined to learn how the process works rather the reinforce your preconceived (and accordingly, wrong) notions of how the process operates.

Oh, but I am EAGER to learn how the process works!

So let's just dive in, shall we?

NCIS investigators interview witnesses but do not record witness testimony. Agents take notes, and then go off to write up what they heard.

Am I right so far? Perhaps it works the same way in the Army.

Please enlighten me as to why this is preferable to a recorded interview. Doesn't it seem that the agents have a tad more room for creativity?

Next in the process, I understand that Marines are then given the statements to sign.

But what happens if a Marine who signed a statement later says a portion of the statement was false, what should happen?

Let's say the alleged falsified statement was evidence in an Article 32 hearing. Should the agents who wrote the statement appear and testify under oath about the veracity of their work?

Or should the presiding officer at the hearing announce the investigators are honest without having them appear to be cross-examined?

How about the Marine who claimed his statement was falsified. Should he be allowed to testify under oath?

Or should he be not allowed to testify and be placed under arrest?

I really, really want to learn how due process is ensured for men willing to die for their country.

[freema]

Let me save you the trouble.

Would you honestly want anyone to comment on a case they have no direct knowledge of? Seriously?

[RedRover]

I've always imagined that any professional takes an interest in what's going on in his or her field. Live and learn.

[freema]

Some do, Red, to the point that once was a thread in defense of prosecuted Marines becomes a CYA defense thread for the prosecution.

[flightline]

And send the agents directly involved down-under to co-conspire with a ROO, rather than appear as ordered????

Hey......... Where's Connely. No one can get in touch with them?????? The Col. like others is under orders to convict.

The more they do, the more is exposed. The skin on the balloon is getting pretty thin.

[The Original JAG Hunter]

You've got a few hours left. Still waiting for answers to yesterday's questions going to your argument on the original intent of the Founders. You know, the argument regarding your position that military personnel were specifically targeted in the denial to them of constitutional protections everyone else enjoys.

The JAG Hunter

[Dan Kings Friend]

Just searching the web on a friend of mine. I want to give you an update on Mr. Daniel King. I am good friends with him. This whole event has scared him more than anyone could know! Someone posted that he never even had a sorry..that is so correct. Danny is even afraid to file a claim with the VA! He is paranoid to talk on any phone! He just reached 6 years since his release. Talk about someone to be haunted for the rest of their life. Danny is so humble that he just wants to go on with his life like it never happened. Most of his co-workers do not even know about the event. I cried when I found out. He is the most kind and gentle man....and for him to have gone through this. And to hear the thing that tops it off.....he is working for state government helping Veterans!!!

[RedRover]

Remember this thread? Now that you know the man, you might find it fun to take a return trip.

And see the post above this one? Too bad it wasn’t to you or me.