NCIS Exposed:Criminals, Thugs, and Liars Bringing Down Marines

Defend Our Marines ^ | January 20, 2007 | David Allender

[Girlene]

Here's another example of accusations of NCIS unethical methods to get a conviction. From the signonsandiego.com site
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/military/20040213-9999-1mc13dengler.html

Officer accuses NCIS of 'unethical' methods

By Rick Rogers
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

February 13, 2004

"Now that the initial hearings in the death of an Iraqi prisoner are over, an angry Marine officer thinks another inquiry should begin.

This one, said Lt. Col. Ralph A. Dengler, should focus on how Naval Criminal Investigative Service agents treated sailors and Marines while investigating the death of Iraqi POW Nagam Sadoon Hatab. ".......

"Dengler was the unit's executive officer. In civilian life, the former state prosecutor is an intellectual-properties lawyer in New York City. His allegations of NCIS misconduct are uncommonly blunt for a military officer.

"NCIS agents used very unethical, very underhanded methods with our Marines and sailors," Dengler, 37, said in a telephone interview. "I plan to advise the director of the NCIS about the abuses." ".....

"With his prosecutorial background, Dengler said he quickly concluded that the NCIS – the Department of the Navy's primary law enforcement arm – was bent on charging his Marines and not on discerning the facts.".......

Lt. Col Dengler was former state prosecutor and in the Marine Reserve according to background in the article. Go to link for full article.

[RedRover]

Thanks, Girlene. I'm going to put as many abuse stories as we can find together in one place on the Defend Our Marines webpage. Should be a handy reference.

[ArmyLawyer05]

Nope. Never heard of em.

[flightline]

With all due respect, How do you explain a almost 100% conviction rate in the branches of the service? Is the JAG Corps that exceptionally good? The jag corps is like a false front on a building in a movie set, no matter what you do or show, The convening authority has the right to place judgment, no matter what your findings and the defense jag and the prosecuting jag answer directly to him.

As in a case that you are aware of that hit the skids again today, with Correy Clagett hitting a point of no return, His own Defense JAG withheld evidence she new the Army Had. Is this the norm? or should she answer to some one?

How about Col. Steel, Why dose he get a walk and have the opportunity to retire, He has admitted guilt in his NJP, Attorney Sasha had this info as she asked Clagett for his confession?? I will talk about Ernie Simon and how I believe the Post got the info, Then we can talk about some Judge Advocate Generals that have helped in hiding evidence that would expose the JAG and leave what they called a bad blemish on some branches of the services.

I have the DOD documents to put out here if you would like to see some, Do we know why the JAG Corps is the only branch of the military that has grown by more than 10% in the past 5-10 years? We can continue if you would like to talk, I am not picking on you, But if you have spent time in your MOS you know exactly what I am talking about

[ArmyLawyer05]

As an Army lawyer, what is your professional opinion of details of an on-going criminal investigation being leaked to the press? I think they suck. But by the same token, sometimes the military is so slow to get its side of things out into the public that "it's an ongoing investigation" is insufficient (see: allegations that we bombed a "wedding party"). It's not necessarily a fine line between the two, but it is a line. What is the obligation of the military when this occurs? Depends on who did the leaking. If it's a servicemember, then clearly the military would have some obligation to investigate. If it's a DoD civilian, or some "DoD official" (which, IIRC, that is how Murtha rev'd his info), then the obligation on any particular branch becomes a little less clear. Is due process a consideration? Do such leaks constitute a breach of trust? The issue becomes an attempt at unlawful command influence. Though to what extent a Congressman can exercise such influence (in the legal sense) is iffy. How can defendants rights be protected when this occurs? is there an obligation on the part of the military to investigate leaks?

[smoothsailing]

Thank you, I appreciate your candid response.

When information obtained in an ongoing investigation is leaked, should it be the position of the military that the case has been prejudiced? Should such information still be introduced as evidence in a subsequent trial? If so, how does this affect due process and the rights of the accused from the military's point of view?

[freema]

What is the obligation of the military when this occurs? Depends on who did the leaking. If it's a servicemember, then clearly the military would have some obligation to investigate. If it's a DoD civilian, or some "DoD official" (which, IIRC, that is how Murtha rev'd his info), then the obligation on any particular branch becomes a little less clear.

Would you please clarify what appears to be a "what's good for the goose is not what's good for the gander" statement?

Oh, and welcome to FR. I appreciate your input.

[RaceBannon]

major bump on this one!

[RaceBannon]

Okay, then explain how in lawfare, it is legal to hold Marines inside conex boxes with no head calls and limited water and meals until they sign statements?

How is lawfare justifying that these Marines were arrested, confined, held in the brig, and it wasn't until the families read about it in the news that they knew their Marine sons were accused of murder? AFTER 1 to 2 full month's confinement??

Is that lawfare or creul and unusual punishment?

Remind me just how we protect GITMO prisoners again???

How is it, that a terrorist can stab a soldier, then the soldier kill the terrorist in return, and the body and the knife used to both stab the soldier and terrorist get zipped up in the terrorist's body bag...only to have BOTH disappear?

How is it that in LAWFARE, the body of the Iraqi policeman, when exhumed, has no head?

How is it, that the JAG people segregated and used coercion on 18, 19, and 20 year old kids until after 9 months they break and go from MURDER charges to GENERAL under HONORABLE discharges as part of their sentences?? Either they committed the crime or they didn't, and taking a plea from MURDER and then getting released with a general under honorable??

BULLSHIT! If the Marine Corps thought they had a murderer, and had a case against him, there would be NO PLEA, nor would there be a release after a plea that had less than 6-6-and a kick!

and you know it!!

[smoothsailing]

What is the obligation of the military when this occurs? Depends on who did the leaking. If it's a servicemember, then clearly the military would have some obligation to investigate. If it's a DoD civilian, or some "DoD official" (which, IIRC, that is how Murtha rev'd his info), then the obligation on any particular branch becomes a little less clear.

Murtha attributed the leak to the Commandant of the Marine Corp, General Hagee. He also cited a Time Magazine article as a source.I don't recall him citing a DOD official, do you remember where you got that?

This makes for interesting reading:

Sgt. Wutterich sues Murtha for Slander

[flightline]

Well, Mr. Race, You do gots a point, You can take a piece of carbon paper with the tracing of the Pendleton eight on it, and set it over everything we have talked about and it would leave the same tracing, Magine that!

You can take the word Jury and through it out, It dose not exist in any print in the UCMJ. The word panel is there. Remember folks, it is a panel for a reason, out here you have a jury appointed, Courts-martials, they are assigned under orders! Who makes those orders? The convening authority. 9 officers, 3 enlisted, all of higher ranking in both areas??????? How would any readers like those odds if your life depended on it.

What say you Army lawyer, are we on the right track???

[freema]

[freema]

[lilycicero]

Silence is golden, duct tape is silver.

[freema]

Not mine! Oh, and spellcheck is your friend ; )

[freema]

[freema]

Whoops. Got out the extra heavy duty stuff.

Can one of you MODS give me a hand? I did live in Texas a fair piece. Sometimes I have this trouble : )

[flightline]

cricket's, I have more questions

[freema]

How many questions? More than me? Were any questions answered? Mine wasn't, and I only asked for a little clarification. I don't think that qualified as a "question", actually. I wonder what the going rate is for questions!? Maybe I should only ask one.

[lilycicero]

Wine is my friend too, sorry about the spellin er.:)