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This is no bid deal. Routine stops save lives. The police didn't do anything unconsitutional here. The kid has the right not to tell the officer his destination. The officer has the right to request him to get out of the car while he runs his info.

Btw, the clutch was not abused. The kid is looking for trouble with that whole crapola, but I have no problem with the camera. The cop was politie and courteous whene requsting info.


519 posted on 01/04/2007 12:28:30 PM PST by rbmillerjr ("Message to radical jihadis...come to my hood, it's understood ------ it's open season" Stuck Mojo)
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Btw, the clutch was not abused.

If the cop stalled the car then something was abused.

The cop was politie and courteous whene requsting info.

Did you miss the part were he tried to intimidate the kid with hints of arrest? You might want to reread it.
522 posted on 01/04/2007 12:34:31 PM PST by TalonDJ
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Courteous and polite?

Brett: Why am I being detained officer? (directed toward Officer #4)
Officer #4: You better stop runnin your mouth or the other officer will find a reason to lock you up tonight. (Audio can now be heard again) 3:22
Brett: You're saying you're going to make up a reason to arrest me? Officer #4: No I didn't. I said we would find a reason.
Brett: Okay. I just want to let you know all of this is being recorded.
Officer #4: That's good, we're recording it too. Do what he tells you to do--
Brett: I don't have a right to talk right here in a normal voice?
Officer #4: Yes you do.
Brett: You're saying I'm going to be arrested.
Officer #4: I'm just saying...
Brett: You just said you‘re going to find a reason to lock me up.
Officer #4: I said do what he telld you to do.
Brett: You said if I keep runnin my mouth, I will be locked up.
Officer #4: I said he'll find a reason.
Why are you going to find a reason to lock me up when I'm only asking why I'm being detained in a normal voice?
Officer #4: Do what he tells you to do.
Brett: Am I being detained?
Officer #4: Yes you are!
Brett: May I leave?
Officer #4: No, you may not.
Brett: Why am I being detained?
Officer #4: Because you don't have a driver's license.
Brett: I do have a driver's license. I gave it to the other officer.
Officer #4: When the other officer comes back--When he comes back--When he comes back you can talk to him about it.
Brett: Why are you saying I don't have my license?
Officer #4: Nineteen years old and you know everything.
Brett: Yes sir.

525 posted on 01/04/2007 12:44:50 PM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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This is no bid deal. Routine stops save lives.

How so? What evidence is there that the number of lives saved is higher than the number of lives that would be saved if the same number of man-hours were directed toward other more useful pursuits that interfered less with law-abiding citizens?

Which is apt to catch more dangerous drunk drivers--a cop who pulls over one car every few minutes while ignoring the rest of the cops on the road, or one who watches multiple cars per minute going around a curve to see which drivers have poor control of their vehicles? Bear in mind that the public value of catching someone with a 0.20BAC is far greater than the public value of catching someone with a 0.08.

576 posted on 01/04/2007 3:50:28 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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