Posted on 11/15/2006 4:18:12 AM PST by Kimberly GG
"Do you honestly believe that Bush willfully, knowingly, and actively manipulated events to produce a democratic congress just so he could get an amnesty bill?"
Not at all. I'm saying that his decision to push 'comprehensive immigration reform' in a critical election year and to continue to do so in spite of the valiant efforts by the Republican 'get out and voters' who were trying to tap dance faster than he could, was done knowingly, foolishly and with no regard for the risk, because his OBL agenda was and remains a priority.
I voted a straight Republican ticket, knowing full well that a Dim majority would strengthen the OBL agenda and make fighting it more difficult.
The question was: "Do you honestly believe that Bush willfully, knowingly, and actively manipulated events to produce a democratic congress just so he could get an amnesty bill?"
"Not at all. I'm saying that his decision to push 'comprehensive immigration reform' in a critical election year and to continue to do so in spite of the valiant efforts by the Republican 'get out and voters' who were trying to tap dance faster than he could, was done knowingly, foolishly and with no regard for the risk, because his OBL agenda was and remains a priority."
Not at all? That's exactly what you said.
Just keep wanting what you want. Ignoring the words "comprehensive" plan or argumentation.
And the more the border bots continue this line of argumentation, the more the MSM will paint the border bots as "racists in search of an argument".
This was done in the 90s in re CA's Prop 187. It will be starting up again but with a switch, now that the single-issue and border bots have done their "passionate" mouthings and activities -- Dems will now assert that we need a "comprehensive" approach to the border in light of what were once comprehensive approaches to the border issues.
Would you trust a doctor giving you a medicine to treat one specific part of the body without giving you consel on the medication's side effects on other parts of the body?
Border zealots do this. They have no comprehension nor respect for what is about to take place with regard to their passionate plea to "seal the border".
I don't blame the President for this.
In my experience, Border Bots are merely inviting the UN to have more power over the U.S., ultimately.
You do not have this comprehension, and so in your ignorance you "blame Bush".
"Not at all? That's exactly what you said."
You're hearing what you choose to hear because your bias is askew. I did not say "willfully, knowingly and actively", I said he didn't care. If that bothers you, so be it. I refuse to deny the truth, when moving forward requires acknowledging it.
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"We have a law and order President. He actually knows what laws are in place at federal and state levels."
So when they are not enforced, it is purposeful?
You said: "knowingly, foolishly and with no regard for the risk, because his OBL agenda was and remains a priority."
You are saying that OBL was so important that Bush would prefer a democrat congress that would guarantee his OBL agenda. More important than taxes, more important than conservative judges, more important than the WOT. And, you say my 'bias is askew'?
I don't blame the President for this.
If you drive the getaway car during a robbery, you are just as much at fault as the actual robbers. Signing a *Shamnesty* bill would seal his fate and his legacy.
Remember Bush Sr's 1000 points of light? This is 1001.
If Bush pushes through this illegal amnesty thing, I think he should be impeached for failure to keep his oath of office to defend this country. This point alone in my opinion is grounds for kicking his butt out of the office. He IS NOT defending the republic from the Mexican invasion.
That's pre 9/11 thinking Alia.
"I believe the most solemn duty of the American president is to protect the American people."
"Our government is doing everything we can to protect our country"
Why wasn't our border secured on 9/12?
They key is understanding WHY and will open the door to moving forward. But using it takes courage.
Tell me what laws allow the border to not be secured and illegals not deported.
Why wasn't our border secured on 9/12?
Perhaps because Intel proved that the murders of 911 came directly from the mid-east.
Do you suggest that we ban all imports next? These imports come from all over the world; who but could know, that evil stuff from the mid-east might just be carried over on a shipment imported to the US from "name a country".
The standard approach by border bots is essentially to overreach on the "illegals are criminals" by likening all illegals to the terrorists of 911.
You bet illegals are behaving criminally by sneaking into the US. But whereever has been rhetoric from border bots slamming Democrats for the laws which made this "allowable under law" by the Democrats during the 90s.
I've never seen this comprehension education ever alluded to by border bots.
One of my favorite lines from the flick "Poltergeist": "You moved the headstones but not the GRAVES".
Those bashing President Bush for his comprehensive immigration reform, put me very much in mind of that great Poltergeist line.
And it's profitted you the regime of Pelosi, Murtha, Reid, Schumer, Kennedy, Hillary.
Ya moved the gravestones right into their playing field.
Thank you for voting Republican, as you say you have.
Closing the borders, halting imports would not have prevented 911. The corruption of what led to 911 is in those graves which the WOT has been digging up.
If you live with a history retention of less than 10 years, I'm not surprised this is how it looks to you.
AMEN.
Same here ... .
..." The lesser of two evils is still evil - McStain! I still will not vote for the SOB.
Me neither. I know better.
Yeah, it appears that OBEYING EXISITING LAW is not something EITHER party wants to be bothered with.
If we surrender on the border issue, we surrender totally. The demographics in the U.S. have changed substantially in the last few decades (thanks mostly to ZPG, and a tax structure and life-style that discourage large families for some groups while subsidizing growth in other groups). If we allow 12 million foreigners, in one swipe, into our country (and I,parochially, consider it to be OUR country), are we not surrendering?
There are many who wouold like to see the caucasian race (mongrels that they are) disappear from the planet. We seem to be hell-bent on aiding them in whatever way we can.
Why wasn't our border secured on 9/12?
"Perhaps because Intel proved that the murders of 911 came directly from the mid-east."
Do you suggest that we ban all imports next? These imports come from all over the world; who but could know, that evil stuff from the mid-east might just be carried over on a shipment imported to the US from "name a country"."
So, rather than effectively securing our borders and ports from terrorists, the answer is to 'keep our fingers crossed' and accept the risk for the sake of the economy?
"The standard approach by border bots is essentially to overreach on the "illegals are criminals" by likening all illegals to the terrorists of 911.
I've never seen this comprehension education ever alluded to by border bots."
The OBL agenda leaves our country open to both illegal aliens and terrorists. One in the same if a terrorist succeeds in crossing & attacking, at which point, will distinguishing the difference matter?
"Those bashing President Bush for his comprehensive immigration reform, put me very much in mind of that great Poltergeist line.
And it's profitted you the regime of Pelosi, Murtha, Reid, Schumer, Kennedy, Hillary.
Ya moved the gravestones right into their playing field."
Profitted me? No, it's made defeating the OBL more difficult than if we had retained majority and is the reason I voted straight R. But your comparison is inaccurate in that, a gravestone inscribed "comprehensive immigration reform" would read the same no matter where it was moved and implying that had we retained majority under Bush, as opposed to loosing it under Bush, would magically change the original inscription, is wrong....the OBL agenda is a bipartisan agenda.
So, yes, the Dims will take the ball and run with it, but it's still the same game. Unfortunately Bush is quarterbacking for the wrong team.
"Closing the borders, halting imports would not have prevented 911."
Correct. But this is post 9/11. And my point is, when a dirty bomb goes off in your own backyard because a terrorist has successful WALKED ACROSS THE UNSECURED BORDER, that excuse won't hold water. Will you then still be in pre-9/11 thinking and have no regrets about having failed to secure them? Is the OBL agenda your priority too?
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