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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Either matter came into being 'somehow' or God came into being 'somehow' and created matter; OR, matter always existed or God always existed and created matter. In two cases we have one thing, matter, and in two cases we have two things, God and matter.The rule of parsimony says to choose the explanation with the fewest parts, so cosmological explanations involving God are not logical.

If you want a better argument in favor of God's existence, it's that God is simply Man writ large and any argument against His being must also prove that Man doesn't exist; we and He are really the same sort of thing.

11 posted on 11/14/2006 4:37:13 PM PST by Grut
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The age of the universe is estimated in the fifteen to twenty billion year range.

What has been going on for the last six million trillion years? And if time and matter have always been around, then six million trillion years is an infinitely tiny fraction of what has gone before.

Isn't it logical to presume that with all that time involved, a being with all the powers of God would by now exist?


13 posted on 11/14/2006 4:46:46 PM PST by 2ndClassCitizen
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To: Grut

The age of the universe is estimated in the fifteen to twenty billion year range.

What has been going on for the last six million trillion years? And if time and matter have always been around, then six million trillion years is an infinitely tiny fraction of what has gone before.

Isn't it logical to presume that with all that time involved, a being with all the powers of God would by now exist?


14 posted on 11/14/2006 4:47:14 PM PST by 2ndClassCitizen
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To: Grut
Actually, we have more than two things to consider.

The third thing to consider is that science cannot prove where matter came from. Period. It can say that all matter was contained at some point in a near-infinitely dense singularity and that this singularity, when it exploded, was what some call the "Big bang", but, in the end, science cannot prove that God does exist or that God does not exist.

Science cannot prove that atheists are correct. One either believes that God does exist, or he/she does not.

Atheism and religion are like a quarter. One occupies one side and one occupies the other. Both are belief systems where one either chooses to believe that all the matter contained in the singularity (if one believes in the Big bang) was not created by God, or that God created all the matter in the universe.
25 posted on 11/16/2006 8:58:11 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist (Keep working! Welfare cases and their liberal enablers are counting on you!)
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